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I've seen some sparing over this issue on FR.

This is long article about the history of this controversy.

1 posted on 10/20/2011 1:47:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There is no sparring. National law is national law. I strongly suggest you read the whole article written by Leo Donofrio to get a better idea about what is happening on this issue.

See:

Multiple Instances Of Historical Scholarship Conclusively Establish The Supreme Court’s Holding In Minor v. Happersett As Standing Precedent On Citizenship – Obama Not Eligible.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/multiple-instances-of-historical-scholarship-conclusively-establish-the-supreme-courts-holding-in-minor-v-happersett-as-standing-precedent-on-citizenship-obama-not-eligible/


2 posted on 10/20/2011 1:56:16 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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Cool.

It will much harder for the MSM to paint Rubio as a darling of the far right.

He will be President soon enough.

There is no sparring.

He was born here, he can and will become President some day.


3 posted on 10/20/2011 2:05:16 AM PDT by Reaganez
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Cool.

It will much harder for the MSM to paint Rubio as a darling of the far right.

He will be President soon enough.

There is no sparring.

He was born here, he can and will become President some day.


4 posted on 10/20/2011 2:05:30 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ronald Reagan’s Grandmother was born in Canada, he may not have been a natural born citizen.


5 posted on 10/20/2011 2:12:02 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Birthers” my backside.

There is no debate about where Marco was born (Miami in 1071)...the controversy has to do with his parents’ failure to get themselves naturalized until 1974.

Marco is a good man and a superb talent I was among the first to back him against Crist but according to the understanding of the Founders of “NBC,” he is clearly ineligible to be president or vice president.

Only a constitutional amendment would change that.

Either we take a constitutional view or a crass political view. I’ve made up my mind. The Constitution rules, always.


6 posted on 10/20/2011 2:16:34 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well, duh! Love Marco Rubio, but he’s not qualified, and neither is Bobby Jindal.


11 posted on 10/20/2011 2:33:29 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I do not consider myself a birther but rather a Constitutionalist.

The title of the article is a put-down, in my opinion, of a great many patriotic men and women who’ve proudly served this nation and died to uphold its tenets.

I did read the article and the comments. Truly appalling, the extent of public ignorance concerning this issue.


12 posted on 10/20/2011 2:36:28 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am a birther and I say Rubio is eligible.


13 posted on 10/20/2011 2:38:32 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

LOL, a 35 year projection for the weather?

GTFOH!! They can’t get the weather right 35 hrs in advance much less 35 years.


14 posted on 10/20/2011 2:52:04 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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18 posted on 10/20/2011 3:02:21 AM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR so, support it! Compiling New Sarah Palin Ping List! Tell me if you want on it!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Born on American soil? Yes? Eligible to be President.

Born on American soil? No? Not eligible to be President.

Nothing else matters.


21 posted on 10/20/2011 3:17:33 AM PDT by WildWeasel
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; rxsid

This is a small portion of information from Freeper rxsid page:

John Bingham, “father of the 14th Amendment”, the abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln’s assassins, reaffirmed the definition known to the framers, not once, but twice during Congressional discussions of Citizenship pertaining to the upcoming 14th Amendment and a 3rd time nearly 4 years after the 14th was adopted.

The House of Representatives definition for “natural born Citizen” was read into the Congressional Record during the Civil War, without contest!
“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862)).

The House of Representatives definition for “natural born Citizen” was read into the Congressional Record after the Civil War, without contest!
“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))”

No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Bingham’s definition of “natural born citizen” (born of citizen parents in the sovereign territory of the U.S.) was never challenged on the floor of the House. Without a challenge on the definition, it appears the ALL where in agreement.

Then, during a debate (see pg. 2791) on April 25, 1872 regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen (generally. they were not trying to decide if he was a NBC). Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:
“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.”

(The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872. And, since they knew he was, without a doubt, a natural born Citizen...he was, of course, considered a citizen of the U.S.)

The take away from this is that, while the debates and discussions went on for years in the people’s house regarding “citizenship” and the 14th Amendment, not a single Congressman disagreed with the primary architect’s multiple statements on who is a natural born Citizen per the Constitution. The United States House was in complete agreement at the time. NBC = born in sovereign U.S. territory, to 2 citizen parentS who owe allegiance to no other country.

There’s more here....http://www.freerepublic.com/~rxsid/


22 posted on 10/20/2011 3:24:40 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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The problem as I see it is this:
Marco is a Conservative Republican and a good one.
That disqualifies him with the RATS.
32 posted on 10/20/2011 4:02:18 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; P-Marlowe
There is reality and there is opinion. Reality is that current law DOES equate "native born" and "natural born." That means that there is no legal impediment to Rubio running for the presidency. He was born in this country to parents who had been in this country for years and had no intention of leaving. He can't even be claimed to be an "anchor baby" of convenience. Another point of those who question Obama's qualifications is that "native born" must be interpreted in the way that the Founders would have interpreted it. As a philosophical exercise, I am willing to do that. At the same time, I would insist that we must also use the citizenship law that was first in effect in the USA. If we use the founder-era definition of "natural born", then we must use the "founder era" citizenship law, and that is the "Naturalization Act of 1790." The details of that law are simple: 2 years residence with one in the state of residence, good character, and a pledge to any legal court to support the Constitution. Once residency requirement is met, the process, as I see it, could take no more than one minute.

Using that standard, Rubio's mother had already been naturalized prior to Rubio's birth. His father had been before the court a couple of times in his application for residency, and the Cuban refugee act automatically put him on a track for citizenship.

Had it simply been a matter of residency and pledge, then Rubio's dad had MORE THAN fulfilled that obligation.

33 posted on 10/20/2011 5:22:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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The big laugh over this whole St. Pete Times issue is that this is their lead story, front page, with a banner headline. Did we read anything in the St. Pete Pravda about Obama’s little eligibility problem in their rag? Noooooo. What a bunch of friggin hypocrites. These idiots have no conscience.


39 posted on 10/20/2011 5:52:29 AM PDT by shortstop (It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That definition of “Natural Born” could be interpreted to exclude anyone born by Cesarean section.


41 posted on 10/20/2011 6:16:47 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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This argument has no credibility and is just a left wing paper trying to push the meme that all conservatives/republicans are members of the tin foil hat club.


51 posted on 10/20/2011 7:14:26 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What has Rubio ever DONE to suggest that he is REMOTELY qualified for national office?


93 posted on 10/20/2011 9:48:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Romney was born to American parents in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to move back to the United States when he was a child.

George Romney, Mitt's father, was born in Mexico...where his father, who had several wives had moved to because...Grandpa had several wives.

153 posted on 10/22/2011 2:29:38 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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