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College Has Been Oversold
IBD Editorials ^ | October 19, 2011 | ALEX TABARROK

Posted on 10/19/2011 5:32:36 PM PDT by Kaslin

Education is the key to the future: You've heard it a million times, and it's not wrong. Educated people have higher wages and lower unemployment rates, and better educated countries grow faster and innovate more than other countries.

But going to college is not enough. You also have to study the right subjects. And American students are not studying the fields with the greatest economic potential.

Over the past 25 years the total number of students in college has increased by about 50%. But the number of students graduating with degrees in science, technology, engineering and math (the so-called STEM fields) has been flat.

Moreover, many of today's STEM graduates are foreign-born and taking their knowledge and skills back to their native countries. Consider computer technology. In 2009 the U.S. graduated 37,994 students with bachelor's degrees in computer and information science. This is not bad, but we graduated more students with computer science degrees 25 years ago.

The story is the same in other technology fields. The United States graduated 5,036 chemical engineers in 2009, no more than we did 25 years ago. In mathematics and statistics there were 15,496 graduates in 2009, slightly more than the 15,009 graduates of 1985.

Few fields have changed as much in recent years as microbiology, but in 2009 we graduated just 2,480 students with bachelor's degrees in microbiology — about the same number as 25 years ago. Who will solve the problem of antibiotic resistance?

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: america; college; highereducation; school; scienceeducation; students
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To: antceecee

They are bizarre, lost, and without a ticket for love.


101 posted on 10/20/2011 8:25:46 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: bvw

What deception? The graph basically says those who choose to climb to higher ground tend to be dryer. Says nothing about which way the tide is going.


102 posted on 10/20/2011 8:34:24 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: conservaterian

What? Scientific analysis of facts leads to reasonable theories. Fossils exist. Species change. The theory of how & why may be incomplete, but it works pretty well for explaining what happened and predicting what comes next. That’s not anti-God, because God’s act of creation resulted in those artifacts and behaviors in accordance with basic principles. “...and then a miracle occurs” is not a suitable conclusion.

...you don’t buy into the notion that God created non-sequitur fossils just to test our faith, do you?


103 posted on 10/20/2011 8:39:39 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ctdonath2
buy into the notion that God created non-sequitur fossils just to test our faith, do you?

Hmm. Wasn't Prometheus wilier than Zeus . . . or maybe God = science? Think of that!

God couldn't be a rapist thief and still hold the title. But now we've come so far that God cannot even break the laws of science to hold that title. But maybe you're right--human beings are wilier. They are certainly willful.

104 posted on 10/20/2011 9:16:57 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: ctdonath2

The fossils are a result of Noah’s Flood. I believe in the Bible. Obviously no dinosaurs were on Noah’s Ark, only the species we see today, the rest were destroyed. Dinosaurs could easily have been the dragons and other “monsters” that are part of oral histories from almost any society. “Science” vastly misinterprets the age of fossils. Anyone that reads Genesis knows that evolution is a false religion.


105 posted on 10/20/2011 10:38:49 AM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-XXX= Now what? Cain?)
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To: Jay Redhawk
I teach at a community college and it is near impossible to flunk anyone out.

So community colleges are now similar to high schools. That is a shame. Over forty years ago, I attended a wonderful community college. While attending, I worked part-time for the college district as a math tutor for underprivileged students. I was amazed that these students were signed up for calculus and geometry classes, yet they barely understood basic math. What the heck were they doing in college, when they could not do remedial math?

So I'd push aside helping them with their course-work which they would fail anyway, and start them with basic math and algebra and bring them up to where they could have a chance at higher math. They were very thankful for the help; yet I was shocked that such low-achieving students were attending college. That was forty years ago. I surmise that it is now a normal situation. By the way, history classes were my favorite back then (even though I was a math major). I had wonderful teachers and they made a positive impact on my life.

106 posted on 10/20/2011 11:04:33 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: 70times7
The issue at the entry level is WILL YOU WORK?

Congratulations to you and your son, for being hard workers and paying your dues. Too many young people don't want to work their way up the ladder; they want to start at the top with high pay.

Before I retired as a senior systems engineer and IT manager, I was often asked by some younger operations workers how they could get my job. A couple asked if they could take a few classes at a community college and apply for a position equivalent to mine. Sigh. Never mind I worked my way up the ladder over many years applying for ever-higher positions in multiple areas, getting tested, and proving myself. And I had taken many dozens of courses over forty years time. Unlike your son, I didnt do hard physical labor but worked construction jobs with machine equipment to work my way through school. Congrats to your son, he will do well in life.

107 posted on 10/20/2011 11:34:12 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: antceecee
Medieval art like art of the Classical era; they were trying to inspire or instruct bring out the better in the viewer. Modern art all they want to do is shock you for the sake of shocking you. Somehow this is viewed as an artistic.
108 posted on 10/20/2011 1:37:32 PM PDT by Reily
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To: wastedyears

I have an 8 year old daughter who wants to be an astronaut. I just use it as an excuse to make her do extra math workbooks. She hasn’t caught on yet....


109 posted on 10/20/2011 1:50:13 PM PDT by Eepsy (Iper)
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To: packrat35

From what I have read, all the best jobs in IT now are in “Information Security”. Most of those jobs require security clearances and for that reason cannot be outsourced. Information Assurance, Cyber Security is big and it is only getting bigger. If you are an American citizen doing IT, that’s where you will find the good paying jobs.


110 posted on 10/20/2011 2:13:34 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughers of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Reily
My instructor's favorite artist was Piet Mondrian. Not so much shocking but difficult as heck to distinguish one work from another when you had to identify the slides on a test.

They all looked pretty similar!

Piet Mondrian Composition in Colour A (1917) Kroller-Muller Museum, Otterlo. Composition with Red, Yellow, Blue and Black (1921) Gemeentemuseum. Composition 2 (1922) Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York. Composition with Red, Yellow and Blue (1928) Wilhelm-Hack-Museum. Composition II with Black Lines (1930) Stedelijk Museum, Eindhoven. Composition with Blue, Red and Yellow (1930) Sidney Janis Collection, NY. Composition No. 1: Lozenge with Four Lines (1930) Guggenheim, New York. Composition with Two Lines (1931) Stedelijk Museum, Amsterdam. Composition With Blue And Yellow (1932) Philadelphia Museum Of Art. Composition with Yellow Lines (1933) Gemeentemuseum, The Hague. Composition with Red and Grey (1935) Art Institute of Chicago, Chicago. Composition with Red and Blue (1936) Staatsgalerie, Stuttgart. Vertical Composition with Blue and White (1936) Nordrhein-Westfalen. Composition with Red (1936) Philadelphia Museum of Art. Composition with Red and Black (1936) Museum of Modern Art, New York. Composition with Blue (1937) Gemeentemuseum, The Hague. Composition No. 1 with Grey and Red (1938) Guggenheim Collection, Venice. Compositon with Red (1939) Peggy Guggenheim Collection, Venice. Composition with White, Red and Yellow (1942) LA County Museum of Art. New York City I (1942) Musee National d'Art Moderne, Paris. Broadway Boogie Woogie (1942-3) Museum of Modern Art, New York. New York City II (1942-44) Nordrhein-Westfalen, Düsseldorf.

111 posted on 10/20/2011 3:21:00 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Kaslin

It is tough out there....I’m having at least 25 resumes for engineers and scientists shoved at me each week.


112 posted on 10/20/2011 3:22:45 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Da Coyote
...There is truth in the statement that science must necessarily look for reasoning that does not require a supreme being. It must be this way, else serious problems lurk in the boundary points.....

Interesting logic. Coupled with the statement, ...However, not requiring God in an equation is not proof that God does not exist...., almost begs the question regarding the sheer probability that prompted such people as Maxwell, Newton, Fourier, Fermat, LaPlace et al to 'invent' what they did. Was it just ordered human thought of exceptional individuals, or was it inspiration of a different order/

As a less scientific example, personally, I believe that our Declaration of Independence and the logical out come of that event, the US Constitution, most certainly was the result of divine inspiration - God-inspired men. I believe other truly worthwhile, lasting disciplines like advances in science are the same.

113 posted on 10/20/2011 3:39:11 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: NVDave
This was the point when we engineers decided “Let’s finish this course and get the fark out of here, man...”

Your post made me laugh! I'm not an Engineer, but my favorite courses were in architecture & chemistry. I too, had to take a mandatory Econ course and had the same reaction to their theories: completely nonsensical.

I resorted to memorizing what things were "supposed" to do (according to the professor), and had to grit my teeth to get through a test while dutifully providing illogical answers.

My professor did not smoke a pipe. He did however smoke a LOT of weed on the side, and repeatedly used as examples for his theories the supply chain distribution of pot. Did I mention that he wore the same rarely-washed clothes to class for the entire semester? We would have been well-served if they HAD started on fire.

114 posted on 10/20/2011 10:42:09 PM PDT by garandgal
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