Posted on 10/19/2011 5:18:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Edited on 10/19/2011 6:23:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
The battle for the Republican presidential nomination erupted into all out war tonight as Mitt Romney and Rick Perry got personal in a series of angry clashes.
Standing almost toe to toe, the two men repeatedly held up the debate as they bickered over everything from immigration to job creation.
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I know he has had some serious health issues, I hope this is something simple, like a cold.
I am sick of these "debates". They're only going over the same issues over and over again.
Maybe I'll go with Huntsman as he boycotted this "debate".
Cain won’t go after Mitt and didn’t again last night, from what I saw. At the end, he again praised Romney.
Absolutely he said it. Meaning what? If he was not running for office he would have no problem with it?
He's molded rye in my eye.
Cain was so nice to Romney....I couldn’t believe it. IF he is your opponent you don’t play nice to each other. I was surprised they didn’t do some kissy kissy.
There is a question I would like to ask the candidates concerning the immigration issue. To my knowledge, it has never been asked.
The national dialog has always been focused on what measures should be taken on OUR side to stem the flow of illegal immigration into our country.
Well, what measure of responsibility should be assigned to the Mexican government?
What actions do the Mexican authorities take when their criminals are deported from our country?
Do they put them in jail where they belong or just ignore them and allow them to re-enter the U.S. again?
I think it should be asked of our current crop of candidates what actions THEY would take to confront the Mexican government on their weak policies concerning their known criminals entering our country at will.
I was totally embarrassed for both men and their juvenile bickering. I expect Perry’s numbers will sink even lower because of his childish behavior last night.
Santorium has trouble with the truth. Just like he did with bi-national health insurance.
Gov Rick Perry (then head of the Republican Governors Association) and Gov. Joe Manchin (then head of the Democrat Governors Association) wrote to Speaker Pelosi after TARP failed (Sept 29, 2008) and the markets were faltering, requesting:
[morning of Oct 1, 2008]: "We strongly urge Congress to leave partisanship at the door and pass an economic recovery package...It is time for Washington, D.C. to step up, be responsible, and do what's in the best interest of American taxpayers and our economy." Letter
To wit, Associated Press headlined the letter: "Governors, Business Up Pressure for Bailout Bill"
Gov. Perry immediately issued a statement to make his position clear to the MSM:
“In a free market economy, government should not be in the business of using taxpayer dollars to bail out corporate America. Congress needs to take off its partisan gloves and work together to bring both short and long term stability to the credit markets. They need to stop blaming each other and start thinking about solutions that put the taxpayers of this country first.” Gov. Perry, Oct 1, 2008
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Rick Perry's Intriguing Idea for Bi-National Health Insurance …“Contrary to Sen. Santorum’s impression, the idea here was to explore the possibility of allowing private insurers to cover health services provided in either Texas or Mexico. It was an attempt at studying the deregulation of the provision of health insurance by private entities.”…
However, I think Romney made a huge mistake elsewhere, and I don't see much comment on it. At some point, in defending Romneycare, he attempted to distinguish it from ObamaCare by saying that in Massachusetts, people buy their insurance from "private insurance companies", not "from the government." But ObamaCare doesn't really include a "public option" at all. Like RomenyCare, ObamaCare sets up those exchanges in which private insurers provide the actual insurance, heavily regulated by government.
In other words, by drawing a false distinction between RomneyCare and ObamaCare, Romney actually pointed out a major similarity.
Great questions.
I made a comment in Post #60 about that — sort of.
July 18, 2011: Gov. Rick Perry signs health care reform bill into law; Texas fourth state to pass health care compacts bill
"With the signature of Gov. Rick Perry today, Texas has joined three other states stating their intention to enter into a health care compact.
The compact, which would challenge the authority of the federal government to dictate the terms of the federally and state funded Medicaid program, was part of a wide-ranging health care reform bill, Senate Bill 7, passed by the Texas Legislature in its recently concluded special session.
Georgia, Oklahoma and Missouri have already signed onto the compacts movement, with Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon signing a bill into law on Thursday.
The law establishes Texas, along with the other three states, as pioneers in an uncharted use of Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution which allows states to enter into agreements that, with the approval of Congress, cannot be abridged by the federal government. There are more than 200 state compacts currently in effect, nearly all of them related to commerce.”…..
August 8, 2011: Kansas returns health insurance exchange grant WASHINGTON, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Kansas became on Tuesday the second U.S. state to return a large federal grant meant to help it create a prototype health insurance exchange as part of the Obama administration's healthcare overhaul.
Republican Governor Sam Brownback said the state would give back the $31.5 million it received from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to become an early leader, along with six other states, in establishing health insurance exchanges that other local government could use as a model.
Exchanges are meant to provide an open marketplace of competing insurance plans that allow uninsured people and small businesses to band together to negotiate cheaper rates.
Kansas's move brings the total amount of the returned exchange-related federal grants to almost $90 million as Republican governors seek to block implementation of the healthcare law supported largely by Democratic lawmakers.
Experts warn that many states are falling far behind schedule for a smooth and timely roll-out of the reform.
States are facing a deadline of Jan. 1, 2013, to submit detailed plans for their exchanges or see HHS come in and build one itself. Returning grants increases the likelihood that HHS would have to do the work.
"It could come around to hurt the state in the long run," said Sabrina Corlette, a research professor at the nonpartisan Health Policy Institute at Georgetown University.
"The more states that say: 'Forget it, let's have the Feds run it,' the more likely the (federal government) is going to have a one-size-fits-all solution. They're not going to be able to customize it for 30 states."
In April, Oklahoma returned its $54.6 million early innovator grant, the largest of the batch of seven issued in total. Kansas followed suit on Tuesday after months of internal wrangling between Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger and the conservative governor and legislature.
"Every state should be preparing for fewer federal resources, not more," Governor Brownback said in a statement. "To deal with that reality, Kansas needs to maintain maximum flexibility. That requires freeing Kansas from the strings attached to the Early Innovator Grant."…………….
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MEANWHILE MITT ROMNEY is pushing these health care exchanges
July 16, 2011: Romney Adviser Backs Obama Health Exchanges
SALT LAKE CITY — Former Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt, a top supporter and adviser of Republican White House hopeful Mitt Romney, strenuously backed the core piece of President Barack Obama’s health-care law and urged the states to move forward together in adopting health insurance exchanges.
Speaking to a bipartisan group of governors at the National Governors Association, the former Republican governor who served as secretary of health and human services in the Bush administration, called the exchanges where individuals and small businesses can purchase health plans “a very practical solution to a problem that needs to be solved.” He warned governors who are reluctant to move forward with their state-level exchanges that their intransigence will only empower federal regulators.
And he said the health care law that passed is a compromise that gives the states the flexibility they need.
“This is a profoundly important time for the states,” said Mr. Leavitt. “States need to lead.”
The comments came at a time when every major Republican presidential candidate has pledged to repeal the Affordable Care Act, the president’s health care law. For former Massachusetts Gov. Romney, the issue is extra sensitive: the health care plan he secured for Massachusetts included an exchange almost identical to the federal law. He has tried to tightrope through the issue, blasting the federal law as he defends his own.
The federal law gives the states until January 2014 to set up their own exchanges, with federal oversight. If they fail to do so, their citizens will get access to a federal exchange.
But some Republican governors have been reluctant. They oppose the federal law and say they hope it will be repealed by a Republican president in 2013.
Romney and Perry.........just leave the political stage, ok? ...and take Huntsman and Paul with you. Thank you in advance.
There is an understandable desire by posters on FR to see what they want to see. Well and good. But any undecided voter who was actually watching saw a very Presidential-looking Romney standing head and shoulders above a gaggle of angry little dwarves, fending off their attacks rather easily. Perry didn’t impress and Santorum sounded horrific. Newt, on the other hand, was very good - but he looks and sounds like a political commentator rather than a President.
I love The Five at Five and on that show they kid Dana about being a rino. She is ok with it but I am not surprised that on Fox and Friends the other show she said Perry was a bully, that would be in her thinking anyway. She is a Bush person as she should be heck she would not be where she is if he had not hired her. I like Dana but I accept that she is a rino and take it into consideration.
Perry was awesome and no bully, he needed to show he was not like he showed up in the past debates and he did it and was great.
Another Bushie-RINO in the bag for Romney...and a Callista Gingrich starter kit to boot.
Fox News is over saturated with Bushie-RINOs, led by Turdblossum, aka "The Architect".
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