Posted on 10/18/2011 8:06:37 PM PDT by Kevmo
Mark Gibbs on E-Cat
October 18, 2011 2:24 P.M.
By Reihan Salam
At Network World, Mark Gibbs has a column on E-Cat, a low-energy nuclear reaction technology developed by the Italian inventor Andrea Rossi. It sounds, and most likely is, too good to be true. Gibbs projects what might unfold if E-Cat works as promised:
Let’s assume Rossi’s E-Cat works. What then?
From the demonstrated prototypes it appears that you could build E-Cats small enough to power a car or a house. Bundle a lot of them together and you could power a truck, a ship or an office block. Imagine a data center where each row of racks has its own really cheap power generator.
Now you have a world where oil only matters as a raw product for things like plastics so the oil economy as we know it could be dismantled within a few months. Production costs for anything would fall. The power grid would become obsolete. Power stations of all kinds would no longer be an environmental problem. The balance of economic power worldwide would change and, for example, OPEC would become a historical footnote.
The only risk, assuming that the E-Cat doesn’t become horribly radioactive after extended operation or produce some other kind of hazardous byproduct, could be global thermal pollution from so many power generators (if they are very cheap and not dangerous then niceties such as minimizing waste heat would be ignored).
We could see a world where ubiquitous power generation is so cheap it wouldn’t be worth metering (as a consequence, Rossi would become the wealthiest man in the world, assuming that all of the vested interests in the existing oil and power economies didn’t have him bumped off). [Emphasis added]
A public demonstration in Bologna is scheduled for the 28th of October.
As a thought experiment, it’s worth thinking through what might happen to the wold if “production costs for anything” were to markedly decrease. Might labor-intensive manufacturing in emerging economies take a hit? And if so, will this contribute to large-scale political unrest? Moreover, resource extraction is not just important to OPEC: Norway, Australia, Canada, and the United States, among many other countries, might see a pronounced internal shift of economic and political power. It’s all very intriguing.
This can’t be serious.
No you are wrong.....it is setting up another argument and showing how it is so ridiculously obvious in its conclusion to win another totally unrelated argument.
The person’s stove isn’t Rossi’s experiment, hence it is a straw argument......totally irrelevant
We say there is fraud and to counter our argument you introduce an argument that does nothing more than validate the hypothetic methodology of what is seen in the videos.
Rossi himself said that no one has seen into his little black box, for all we know he could have a controlled burn of magnesium coil in a sealed case. When people put on a show, you only see what they want you to see.
So you admit that you are shilling for Rossi then
Kevmo said:
“Do you realize that by bumping threads like this, you further Rossi’s agenda rather than your own?”
Great link. This article seems fair and tries to present an honest analysis of the device, the test methodology used and describes how the output of steam alters the apparent energy gains.
Also in the article, I believe it is Rossi who mentions generating steam to turn a turbine to generate electricity. If he does that, it would be very cool because it would validate the device works and that it produces a usable form of energy, that is, dry steam to drive the turbine and all, hopefully over unity.
The article also goes into a great explanation of the differences between dry and wet steam and how it would affect the output measurements. I didn’t know there was a difference so it’s a good read so that the reader can understand how the measured output of the Ecat is dependent on the type of steam.
A fair article.
Link:
http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705report3.shtml
I don't see where Ovshinsky claimed a fake degree or was arrested for his business activities. He was awarded honorary degrees from real institutions, not from diploma mills like where Rossi bought his fake degree. There's no legitimate connection between Ovshinsky and Rossi.
Nobody needs credentials to see that Rossi has claimed a fake degree, has been arrested for fraudulent business activity, and that the data he produces can't be trusted.
And anybody who goes off on a screed like this is obviously unhinged:
About the snakes: the time of the snakes is over. The start up of the 1 MW plant is the end of the mental masturbations of enviuos, wannabe theorists, lecturers of calorimetry and engineering. Now LENR goes to the market. The test will not be made by me, but by the Customers’ consultants. Time of chatters is over. Maybe the test will not be good, maybe: it will be the first time I will start up a plant of that dimension, but in this case the problem will be the Customer, not the bunch of imbeciles that instead of understanding that we actually made LENR a reality lose their time digging holes on the surface the water in the middle of the ocean to find the wine. And in the case this test will go not well, we will learn and remake another, and another, and another, but, be sure, we will arrive to the target. At any cost."
yes, it would be cool
Just remember, you can duplicate his experiment with just water and magnesium. Magnesium will burn under water and supplied in a ribbon can burn for hours under water in a sealed container.
There are other ways of faking this, millions of ways. When you can see what is inside the box and can’t see what happened when the cameras weren’t rolling, you have zero confidence anything is legit.
Also, Rossi’s background a huge flashing caution light.
wow, I missed that, he does sound wacked
Will that rant be on the sales brochure? It really makes me want to part with some money.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2790404/posts
Posted by Kevmo to supposedly show how legitimate Rossi is.
Awesome. Now where’s my checkbook?
The biggest problem is he’s acting like someone perpetuating a scam whether it works or not.
He needs to get some disinterested third party with a great reputation in physics (any decent university) and have this person design the test and have another equally qualified person perform the test without the presence of Rossi.
They need to perform the test exactly as they planned, if it fails due to some configuration problem, deal with it and reschedule the test. None of this it was planned to run X amount of hours but for reasons we won’t disclose we ran the test for less than X hours and by the way, it worked. They also need to publish the results, energy in, Energy out. The weight of hydrogen cylinder before and after test as well as the weight of the Ecat before and after. If the results show an efficiency of less than 100% it doesn’t work, period. What would be the point of having a device where you put in 10KW in and get 5KW out??
Once the results are in, the Ecat needs to be disassembled to prove no funny business is going on. Have the scientists sign an NDA if Rossi is worried.
This is Nobel prize area if it works and he can explain it.
From what I’ve read, it uses minimal amounts of hydrogen and according to Rossi, the nickle lasts six months. I don’t know what else are consumables but aren’t the waste products copper?
non sequitur, yet another classic fallacy from you.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Yet another non sequitur.
There are other ways of faking this, millions of ways.
***Then post them. You won’t, I know. Those ways of faking are becoming few and far between and your lies are expanding in proportion.
How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts
Thanks for bumping both threads.
Once the results are in, the Ecat needs to be disassembled to prove no funny business is going on. Have the scientists sign an NDA if Rossi is worried.
***Photos of October 6 demo device being disassembled for analysis.
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/News:Photos_of_the_October_6%2C_2011_E-Cat_Test
The pictures at your link make it look like the Oct. 6th test took place inside a house, not a university lab. There’s diagonal ceramic tile on the floor, and there are radiators on the walls.
I just did, magnesium coil .... it will fake this well
“He needs to get some disinterested third party with a great reputation in physics (any decent university) and have this person design the test and have another equally qualified person perform the test without the presence of Rossi.”
I think you need to have a very interested third party do the testing, the paying customer who is going to loose their butt in this fraud.
All the disinterested third parties accept many of Rossi’s restrictions just so they can get their hands close to the box to discover what is going on. Rossi is holding this close enough so that the scam can’t be revealed unless someone violates his terms of testing his device.
“Once the results are in, the Ecat needs to be disassembled to prove no funny business is going on. Have the scientists sign an NDA if Rossi is worried.”
Wrong, prior to the test, the unit should be disassembled, samples of all powders and liquids taken, then reassembled.
The thing used to fake this result may be consumed almost entirely and remain undetected after the test.
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