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To: Hostage

You are saying two contradictory things. 1) that the vested interests won’t let the Liberals and RINOs pass it and that 2) it will lead to higher taxes and VAT.

I can’t tell the future but I see several possibilities.

First, I see that the 16th is a problem and it needs to be repealed. This can be part of the solution. You know and I know and everyone knows that Cain, as president, can’t dictate a new code he needs Congress to do it. So Cain is not the fear, the process and the Congress are the fear.

But Congressmen aren’t anything if not fearful of losing their jobs. If Cain wins by landslide, Congress has 2 years to make something serious happen, and obstructionists may lose their office. If the Senate is the problem, 4 years tops.

Now there is no reason why a package deal can’t be made, that transitions away from the current code to 9-9-9 and then on to Fair Tax over time. For example, we pass a Constitutional Amendment that will cap the 16th amendment at 9%, that will define what can be taxed and how it can be taxed (wages and capital gains, and profits of corporations and LLCs), and at the same time it also enacts the other 9 - NST - by allowing the States to collect it and pass that money up to the feds just like the Fair Tax suggests it should be done.

This Amendment could be triggered to go in effect at a future date, too. It can be passed in 2012 and go in effect on Jan 1 2014, for example. Such a package deal could further, in theory, dictate that 6 years hence both the income and profits taxes automatically repeal in place of the Fair Tax at 23%. That way we get the end game negotiated at the beginning, but we give ourselves and our states 6-8 years to get it implemented.

I think the biggest most important point right now is to get the tax code to be the #1 issue in the election.I am glad you are out there talking about it. I am not opposed to 9-9-9 just because I favor the Fair Tax. I just accept that it may not be possible to get it done in one fell swoop. So the important thing is to get that debate out in the open. Open people’s eyes. Get momentum. And most importantly, let the lines be drawn. I want to know who is in favor of real reform and who will perpetuate the current absurdity.

Congress will have to act if the people really demand it. There is a lot of angst out there.


55 posted on 10/15/2011 7:05:59 PM PDT by monkeyshine ( The path of the righteous is beset by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men)
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To: monkeyshine

Reread my post. I am not at all contradicting anything. The vested interests are the Libs/RINOS and they won’t allow the FAIRTAX to pass because that gets rid of the 16th Amendment and the 16th is their hold on power baby. They will fight to their last breath to say you eat dead aborted babies if they find out you support the FAIRTAX.

But the 9-9-9 Plan. Oh well yeah Ok they say, they accept it because they know Cain will lose on the transition to FAIRTAX. They will have their Senators hang it with filibuster and .....

and .....(drum roll) .....tada!

The United Socialist States of America will have:

1. An Income Tax
2. A National Sales Tax
3. A VAT

Ship of Fools, Ship of Fools Baby.


59 posted on 10/15/2011 7:15:52 PM PDT by Hostage (The revolution needs a spark. The Constitution is dead.)
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To: monkeyshine
For example, we pass a Constitutional Amendment that will cap the 16th amendment at 9%, that will define what can be taxed and how it can be taxed (wages and capital gains, and profits of corporations and LLCs), and at the same time it also enacts the other 9 - NST - by allowing the States to collect it and pass that money up to the feds just like the Fair Tax suggests it should be done.

Constitutional amendments should be kept nice and simple. The one to repeal the 16th should simply forbid income taxation at all levels of government, local, state, federal, and international. The last is needed to override any treaties future libtard Senates may choose to ratify.

The neat thing about consumption taxes is that they are broad-based. So, even though there is potential to generate a lot of revenue, there also will be a lot of people voting not to have to pay the cost of a too-large government.

130 posted on 10/16/2011 6:25:39 PM PDT by cynwoody
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