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The Missing Piece of 9-9-9
The American Spectator ^ | October 13, 2011 | Green Lantern

Posted on 10/13/2011 5:19:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Herman Cain's "9-9-9" tax reform is attracting enough attention to become the focus of this week's Presidential debate. As a plan for overhauling revenues and unleashing the private sector, it's a bold gambit that shows Cain is willing to take chances and shake up the Capital.

The 9 percent business tax is a stroke of genius. It would give us the lowest business rates in the world and would make us the "tax haven" for investment from everywhere. The stock market would barely be able to stay abreast. The 9 percent personal income rate would eliminate all the deductions and put everyone on a level playing field. Tax collection from "the rich" would skyrocket because no one would hide income anymore, but "the other 99%" would make out as well. Cain's plan would fold in the 15 percent payroll tax so the new 9 percent rate would be an improvement - but would end the immunity that the bottom half has from paying any taxes at all. Altogether a good show.

The stickler is that 9 percent national sales tax. That's where things start to fall apart....

The sales tax has long been the preserve of the states and is now imposed in all but five of them (Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon). The informal arrangement has been that the federal government gets income taxes, the states get the sales tax and local municipalities are granted the property tax. Often they poach. States and even cities have imposed income taxes and have also started trespassing on the property tax. But for the federal government to demand a 9 percent sales tax would be a whole new departure. Combined with state and city levies, it puts us near 20 percent, which is black market territory.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 999; 999sucks; cain2012; cainiscrazy; flimflamman; gopprimary; loserplan; revenue; tas; taxes
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To: bamahead
Who has a tax plan that prevents taxes from being raised in the future?

I keep hearing people say they don't like Cain plain because 9-9-9 may become 20-20-20, I don't think so.

The Sales Tax revenue stream to the Gov’t is the only new stream and the plan eliminates the payroll tax stream.

The Sales Tax stream will be less likely to go up then anything else. People will have this money in their pocket and will notice every time it changes. The payroll tax people never see the money so they never really notice how much it is.

The new sales tax is Cain way to introduce the FairTax, eliminate the fear at a low rate.

I like his plan, sure every plan is going to have issues and people can come up with arguments.

I've always wanted a simpler tax policy then what's going on now and Cains the only one offering it.

121 posted on 10/13/2011 7:08:09 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: Beagle8U
The whole ‘plan’ looks like something jotted down on a ‘cocktail napkin’ after several jiggers of Scotch.

Not well thought out and not ready for prime time.

I agree. This is the whole basis of Cain's support - this 999 plan. It's reaching mythical proportions isn't it?

People better be careful what they wish for. This plan is a lobbyist's dream.

122 posted on 10/13/2011 7:10:13 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You’re right. This article attacking the 999 plan and endorsing Cap & Trade was laughable. Something else the author says makes me laugh....

“So a national sales tax is a non-starter. The whole thing is just too complicated and hard to enforce.”

What a marroon. If some local yokel in Podunk City can collect and enforce sales taxes, then why not the US government? Too complicated? Has this moron ever read the IRS Tax Code?

All 71,000 pages of it?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_pages_are_in_the_IRS_tax_code


123 posted on 10/13/2011 7:10:18 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: beachn4fun

There goes the mortgage deduction. That ought to kill off the housing industry.


124 posted on 10/13/2011 7:11:50 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: NoDRodee
“I've always wanted a simpler tax policy then what's going on now and Cains the only one offering it.”

A nice simple plan, hoping for some simple people to allow him to implement it.

125 posted on 10/13/2011 7:12:23 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: NoDRodee
The Sales Tax revenue stream to the Gov’t is the only new stream and the plan eliminates the payroll tax stream.

Payroll is no longer a business deduction under 9-9-9, so the 9% corporate tax applies to payroll unless you're in an "empowerment zone."
126 posted on 10/13/2011 7:12:36 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: flaglady47

“There goes the mortgage deduction. That ought to kill off the housing industry.”

Not only that, a new house would also get slapped with an extra 9% sales tax added to it.


127 posted on 10/13/2011 7:15:25 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Because after Cain leaves office, they will turn 9-9-9 into 19-19-19 then 29-29-29.


No, because EVERY voter will feel some part of the tax, and will oppose an across-the-board increase. Poor folks, retirees, workers will all oppose increases, unlike the current balkanized system.

You are free to worry that ONE of the numbers will be increased, such as increasing corporate taxes in a populist movement.


128 posted on 10/13/2011 7:16:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Beagle8U

He stated it very directly and clearly in answer to questions at Tuesday’s debate.

It has been discussed all over the news ever since.


129 posted on 10/13/2011 7:16:29 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: flaglady47
There goes the mortgage deduction. That ought to kill off the housing industry.

It also kills things like the 401K and IRA deductions. For a man who supports private retirement plans, slapping a tax on the money contributed is only going to discourage it.

130 posted on 10/13/2011 7:17:04 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yup, the writer is an IDIOT. 130% increases in electric rates are not regressive?

I see no problem in collecting a national sales tax. Fuel taxes are collected at the pump, an essentially flat tax should free up a lot of IRS employees who should become unemployed with a flat tax. Most states collect sales taxes now an additional 9% of the same terms seems pretty easy. Standardize the items sales tax is paid on between the states... what is done now in some state is just foolish anyway. Most states don’t tax essential foods now. Carry on with that.

As for creep in the tax rates... cap the Federal spending as a % of GDP... about 17.5% or so sounds like a good number to me. I think that works out. It sure isn’t the 21 to 25% we have and are heading for.


131 posted on 10/13/2011 7:18:23 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Jeff Head
He stated it very directly and clearly in answer to questions at Tuesday’s debate.

So who is being deceptive, Cain or his website? And if his website in inaccurate on that point then what other proposals on it are wrong?

132 posted on 10/13/2011 7:18:53 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Beagle8U

It also claims everyone will save 15% off their personal tax bill from eliminating the payroll taxes. That is less than truthful because half of that is a savings to business, and there is nothing to say that it will be passed on to employees.


Unless you believe that the free market operates for labor (workers could switch to the companies that don’t make the short-sighted mistake of keeping the tax reduction).

You’re campaigning hard against Cain.


133 posted on 10/13/2011 7:19:10 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: SoJoCo
It will not result in large scale reductions in the price we pay for goods on a daily basis.

It doesn't necessarily have to. If your income is higher or, similarly, you have more money in your pockets due to paying lower taxes, you can afford more. The prices may be static (though I doubt that would happen over the long term, anything is possible), the amount of expendable income has increased anyway.

134 posted on 10/13/2011 7:20:46 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Beagle8U

The 9% sales tax is a major turd in the punch bowl for the average Joe.


The average Joe will have his income tax rate drop from 28+15=53% down to 9%. He’ll be delighted.


135 posted on 10/13/2011 7:21:09 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Jeff Head

I am going by what he listed in his ‘plan’, not the spin that seens to change daily depending on who he is talking to.

He tied himself to the ‘999 plan’ when he said in debates to check his website.

So now he is saying the ‘plan’ is a moving target?


136 posted on 10/13/2011 7:22:14 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

Seniors get hosed big time by having SS income taxed at the full 9%, even those just scraping by.


They’d be hosed worse by a bankrupt nation that couldn’t afford to send them a check, or rampant inflation that will inevitably follow government borrowing.


137 posted on 10/13/2011 7:22:56 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: SoJoCo
My guess is that that is a detail they simply have not put on there yet. I do not believe it has anything to do with deception.

Cain is operating on a very low budget...and that is probably his biggest issue...being able to finance his run for the long haul.

138 posted on 10/13/2011 7:23:13 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“The problems I see are that this will take longer than an election cycle. No politician is going to risk his seat falling on the knife for this. It is too complicated.”

Oh, but Cain says his plan is simple, don’t you know...


139 posted on 10/13/2011 7:24:45 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Beelzebubba
I'm stating facts, not spin and hopey changey.
140 posted on 10/13/2011 7:25:14 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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