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To: caww

I appreciate your thoughts. The Mormons I know truly believe what they believe & live accordingly. Why is it that they are “selling” another Christ, & you, who has your own set of beliefs, are not “selling” me, for example who thinks the Trinity is false (& can back that up w/ the Bible), another Christ? That’s what I mean about a polite discussion/debate. Selling?

We all have our beliefs, & to the best of my knowledge, have never spoken w/ the Savior face to face, so we are left w/ only beliefs. so, why not respect others?

As far as the Savior & how He treated His adversaries, remember, He was Lord & sinless. He will be our judge. He therefore had the right to do what He did. We are all sinners & were told explicitly by the Lord NOT to judge. So, to say you can do all that the Lord did, would be like saying you could atone for the sins of others. There are some things the Lord reserved only for Himself. I would rather ere on the side of not judging & be happy rather than to judge people trying to do good things & be angry all day, every day.

It works for me for what it’s worth.


322 posted on 10/11/2011 5:22:32 PM PDT by Confab
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To: Confab; caww; reaganaut; Godzilla; SeaHawkFan
We are all sinners & were told explicitly by the Lord NOT to judge...I would rather ere on the side of not judging & be happy rather than to judge people trying to do good things

Let's pin you down here. You say the Lord tells us not to judge right? Does that include judging others' motives? How about judging another level's of anger and love -- and portraying that for the world to see? How about judging arrogance? Is that OK? Is it OK to judge the level of corruption you've seen in certain business people of a certain religious stripe -- and then stereotype all people of that stripe? Is that OK? What about Muslim terrorists? Do you think it's A-OK to compare Christians to Muslim terrorists and publicly judge them that way?

Well, let's look at the open judging you've done on just this thread alone:

There are rarely, if ever, posts by you guys that aren’t absolutely filled w/ anger. That’s all you guys portray. You never seem to portray love at all. Who would want to bring so much anger into their lives? (Confab's post 290 to reaganaut)
Confab, you seem to have no problem whatsoever judging the internal motives of a number of us – even though we are complete strangers to you…except that you somehow know all about these past convos in FREEPERland even though you’ve been signed up for less than a year. What? Do you have an “anger-meter” and “love-meter” you judge strangers with?

You are a cocky lot. (Confab's post 309 to Godzilla)
Confab, you don’t seem to have any problem publicly judging who you think is cocky.

The worst business dealings I’ve ever had were w/ “devout” Christians. [Confab's post 205 to SeaHawkfan]
Confab, you don’t seem to have any problem publicly judging all devout Christians as being the worst/corrupt business partners/clients/services/etc.

Hear of any reports lately regarding Mormons blowing people up like some Christians & Muslims have been doing in other parts of the world? (Confab's post 196 to SeaHawkfan)
Confab, you don’t have any problem comparing Christians to Muslim bombers.

Confab, what are we to believe? Your standard that you say we're to have re: "judging" others? Or, your consistent examples you keep providing in judging others? Which is it? You can't have both. You either need to walk the walk or talk the talk. If you can't walk the talk, then just stop.

327 posted on 10/11/2011 9:03:17 PM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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To: Confab
We are told "when we judge to judge righteously".....make right judgments. You forgot the rest of what Christ said.

That isn't hard to understand as we make judgments concerning our children every day...who their playmates are requires a parents judgement and that means also judging children who are NOT good for our children.

We also make judgments of other people in our workplaces, who can or not be trusted, as well as all areas of our life where other people are involved.

Imagining that making judgments about people because of the danger of their religious practices certainly would be included if not more-so, people make determinations with those beliefs as their foundation for making decisions....even atheists have a foundation from which they base their life.

Mormons have to live the way that they do...and the driving force behind that is "fear". If they aren't "paid up" on their tithing to the church they cannot attend their own children's weddings....and many other "do not's" which keep them in bondage to the 'Extortion' of their leadership.

Read up on the lds properties they own...spending billions of dollars on malls and various other enterprises....while retirees are sucked dry trying to give the last "widows mite" in their purse. Go to any property in Utah going up and see that many of the crew are Mormons....working for Free as their contribution to the leadership....though it's masked as religious giving. The list could go on and on how the leadership steals the very life from these people...and that to get at their wallets...

Mormonism wears an individuals very heart and soul down until they would do most anything to survive from being separated from their families and loved ones. Their indoctrination tactics are fine tuned and work in such a way as to make the individual believe it's all his choice...when in fact it is a bait and switch con game like scientology and other false religions and cults....with the leadership gaining more power and wealth than the members ever have a clue about.

Furthermore they groom individuals for prominent positions....to handle their real-estate and corporate ventures , many who are on board of directors and various other positions of power both nationally and internationally....and this politically as well.

As I have stated before...start looking at the political and business ventures of the LDS church and you will very soon see a huge corporation with tentacles in every aspect of business and investment...and this using billions and billions of dollars....not to mention a fine tuned structure to keep the steady flow of candidates to fill these positions recruited from their colleges...trained and programmed to be under it's leaderships control.

Please understand this is not about a religion...but about a leadership intent on power, wealth and this with an carefully orchestrated political agenda. The religious aspect is simply to recruit individuals for a steady stream of revenue in which to build and carry out their ideology and political agenda...and this on an international scale. Romeny has been groomed by it's leadership to assume the role of President of this country...when we hear him speak he speaks what he's been told to speak...if he gets to Washington he will do what they say without hesititation.

330 posted on 10/12/2011 12:09:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: Confab
The Mormons I know truly believe what they believe & live accordingly.

Indeed!

Romans 10:2
New International Version

For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God,
but their zeal is not based on knowledge.

346 posted on 10/12/2011 7:37:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Confab
The Mormons I know truly believe what they believe & live accordingly.

There were 19 MUSLIMs that I heard about that truly believed what they believed & died accordingly; too.

347 posted on 10/12/2011 7:39:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Confab; Colofornian; caww; reaganaut; Godzilla; SeaHawkFan; Elsie
I would rather ere on the side of not judging & be happy rather than to judge people trying to do good things & be angry all day, every day.

Good! We are looking forward to seeing this from you. Especially the "not judging" thingy.

348 posted on 10/12/2011 7:39:50 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, AmericaÂ’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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