Posted on 10/09/2011 10:22:04 PM PDT by Ripliancum
"...It probably irks Mitt to have to discuss his faith in this way, but the Mormon debate could be of net benefit to his campaign.
...True, there is a small but significant minority who say they would never vote for a Mormon. According to Gallup, it’s around 22 percent of the population. But opposition to Mormonism doesn’t come from conservative Evangelicals or Catholics. On the contrary, Gallup’s polls show that it’s a liberal thing. Only 7 percent of Baptists and Catholics wouldn’t vote for a Mormon, compared with 32 percent of gays and 49 percent of atheists. Amusingly, the figure is also much, much higher among Mormons, at 22 percent. That’s right, 22 percent of Mormons would never vote for a Mormon. Perhaps they know something we don’t."
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(Despite the likes of Joseph Smith accusing all Christians of being "corrupt" in his "first vision" -- which a later generation of Mormons decided was "scripture"...this same "vision" pronounced 100% of the Christian creeds as an "abomination"...All...just read Joseph Smith - History - vv. 18-19 in the Mormon Pearl of Great Price...)
Tell us, 1010, do you as a restorationist embrace vv. 18-19 of this First Vision? Are 100% of our Christian creeds an "abomination" as Smith pronounced based upon an unnamed entity's word?
It's hard to decide which is more deceitful from LDS inc, trying to us Milt's run at the nomination to advance the cult of Mormonism, or using the cult of Mormonism to try and get Milt nominated via silencing opposition to his cultish beliefs. Clearly, you have exposed an agenda, it's just not clear yet which of the two avenues of deceit you favor.
Why, of course the Lds reject original sin. They've said Eve's original sin is to be "celebrated" because it was the fall, they say, that has led them toward godhood!
Tell us, 1010, if your children were so pure at birth, why did they need to baptized for the remission of sins (D&C 68:27) at age 8? What sins needed to become in remission if they were perfect angels for 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds? [Why, I'm sure you never had to discipline them pre-age 8, eh?]
As for your pedophile Q are you serious? Are you telling me that your worldview is that prisoners should be allowed to do what they want to each other 'cause, hey, after all, they're all guilty criminals, anyway? Is that the truly pathetic Mormon worldview conclusions you've drawn because of its warped belief system?
There are lots of false teachings that are not Mormonism. The question is, “Has the Mormon church ever taught that all other religions are abominations or apostate?”
Milt is a high priest in the mormonism religion (’melchizadek priesthood’). If what you say is true, what does it say about a man who will take the oaths of high priest in a religion yet hold it in contempt?
Well, let's see, it doesn't state, as does Mormon doctrinal narrative, that he was once just an intelligence eternal as you & me, and that he got his "break" to be born to a god-mom and a god-dad to become a spirit-kid somewhere, so that he could be sent to a planet to become a man, where the head god of a council of gods chose him out of all the applicants to become the head god of Kolob and this world!
Nor does it say that he's got a body of flesh & bones (John 4:23-24) -- like the Mormon god.
Nice try.
You avoided replying to the over 40 posts which are indictments of Mormon theology. You then select one
sentence that you can “work with” to pretend that LDS beliefs are orthodox Christianity.
You are right: Americans are free to believe anything they choose, and to belong to any “church” no matter how weird or blasphemous it might be. Freedom of speech and religion extends to my right to point out those aspects of a group that fall outside the almost 2000 year old definition of Christianity.
I could write the same things regarding my Hindi friend, Sri. Should we nominate Sri for the Republican candidacy?
Very good Q.
I doubt that Sandy. The internet has been a great thing in dwindling the rolls of the LDS church. If anything, this will make people take a closer look at Mormonism and see the truth of what they really believe, not what the LDS promotes (lies and whitewashing of history).
This is no joke. I have authored a first edition of a major Biblical theme, one that will transform our understanding of the Book of Books over time: it is the reintegration of the perspective of pastoral nomadic life into the text. Genesis 1 isn't a creation story but an introductory teaching on a pattern of Hebrew roots as applies to specific patterns revealed later in the text, a key code if you will. The first Sabbath is the flood of Noach. Cain and Abel isn't a murder story. The Sabbath for the Land is not to let it rest but to take a sabbatical year in the field as a military logistics plan. The ban on meat and dairy is actually about animal cruelty. Jesus' selection of a sabbath year to begin His ministry and His explanation of meekness in the "lilies of the field" teaching is directly related to this theme as in His citation in Matthew 25 of this amazing undiscovered prophecy.
I'm not kidding. There is a reason the Lord first announced the birth of the King to shepherds, but we don't see it because we are Cain. BTW, this translation also effectively shows that the Book of Moses in the Mormon is indeed a Gnostic fraud.
The source really doesn’t matter in this case, CYN, CAWW’s comments are entirely accurate.
I can post the relevant portions of the LDS temple ceremony (endowment) for you if you wish.
What do you expect from a ‘stunt mormon’ practicing mormonism taqqiya at FR?
And absent from this picture are mormons - who slink into areas that have already been reached by Christians to lie, cheat and steal sheep.
| YEAR | Obvious Pro-Abortion Romney | Romney Feigning ‘Pro-Life’ |
| Romney, goin’ back to 1970 when Romney’s Mom ran for Senate | ”I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) | ”’He’s been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,’” Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar “flip” acting like a “flop?” |
| 1994 (Campaign) | ”I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice.” (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support ¨C ¡°sustain¡± ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word ¡°sustain¡± for support for their own ¡°prophet¡± | Romney has since invoked a “nuanced stance” about what he was in 1994: He says ”Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007) |
| 1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) ¡ú 2001 | (a) Romney’s wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood... (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: ”Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994.” Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; ”Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie¡¯s house and that she ¡°clearly¡± remembered speaking with Romney at the event.” Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; ”In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event.” Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts | 2001: ”I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice.” (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn’t want to be known as a “flop” (so what is he?) |
| 2002-2004 | ¡°I will preserve and protect a woman¡¯s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard¡(Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He’s solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: ”I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one ¡ Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government’s.” (Stephanie Ebbert, “Clarity Sought On Romney’s Abortion Stance,” The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the “flop” saddle again? | Nov. ‘04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life “conversions” linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn’t believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. “It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life,” Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?) |
| 2005 | May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being “pro-choice” at a press conference. (”I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.”) = OK, this is at least a flop from November ‘04! | What about his gubernatorial record ‘03-’06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in ‘05 some ‘pro-life’ decisions. ”As governor, I¡¯ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I¡¯ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life.” = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an ‘02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, ‘05 press conference commitment as well. So “flipping” is beginning to be routine |
| 2006 | April 12, 2006—Mitt signs his “Commonwealth Care” into existence, thereby expanding abortion access/taxpayer funded abortions for women—including almost 2% of the females of his state who earn $75,000 or more. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-’06 that ALL of his actions were “pro-life?”). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the “payment policy advisory board” did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details). | ”As governor, I¡¯ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I¡¯ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life.” = So, then THESE ACTIONS were not only a reversal of his 2002 commitment, but his May 27, 2005 press conference commitment. So “flipping” is still routine |
| Early 2007 | On January 29, 2007 during South Carolina visit, Romney stated: ¡°Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice.” (Bruce Smith, “Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint,” The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could ”every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life...” AND this statement BOTH be true? | Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering ”I was always for life¡±: ”I am firmly pro-life¡ I was always for life.” (Jim Davenport, “Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion,” The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he’s always been pro-life! |
| Summer 2007 | ”I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice.” Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at ‘94 & ‘02 campaigns, both his public statements, his 2002 voter guide responses, & his actions (which are a major form of expression, ya know!) how could he say he ”never said” he was ”pro-choice?” | Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: ”I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn’t FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn’t pro-choice, and so...” = Whatever he was from ‘70 when his mom ran as pro-abortion senator & he sided w/ her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of ‘04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn’t a pro-abortion ‘inlook’ or outlook ‘cause he didn’t feel “pro-choice...” = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer? |
| December 2007 (Anything ‘different’ from embryos’ perspective than June 2002?) | 5.5 years before ¨C June 13, 2002: Romney: ...spoke at a bioethics forum at Brandeis University. In a Boston Globe story filed the next day, he was quoted as saying that he endorsed embryonic stem cell research, hoping it would one day cure his wife’s multiple sclerosis. And he went on to say: ”I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research,” before adding, “I’d be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don’t know if I could budge him an inch.” When pressed, however, Romney and his aides declined to offer an opinion on “therapeutic” or embryonic cloning. Source: Weekly Standard | December 5, 2007: Romney: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that’s acceptable. It should not be made against the law.” Any “inquiring minds” want to try wrapping their minds around how a politician in one sentence mentions “adopting” embryos out (yes, a great thing to mention!) — but then in the very NEXT breath says if a ”PARENT” wants to be “pro-choice” (Mitt used the word ”decides” which is what “pro-choicers” say they want) ”to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that’s acceptable.” Say what???? How about 8-month gestationally-aged infants in the womb, Mitt? Or already-born infants, too, Mitt? If a ”parent decides they would want to donate one of those...for purposes of research, in my view, that’s acceptable...” No??? What’s the ‘pro-life’ difference, Mitt? Here you call an embryo’s mom&dad “parents” — but “parents” w/ ”research” give-away rights? How bizarre we have such schizophrenic “candidate!” |
Again, with the judgements SD?
Sheesh, obtuse, masochism, or obstinate. I can’t figure out which because you’ve been shown to be wrong too many times to count and you keep coming back with the same lame analogies.
Mormonism condemned any who were not mormon to hell (outer darkness), it still condemns many to the same fate. I sure hope ole Joey is turning on a spit down there, cause he deserves to be. Lying, thieving, adultering pedophile that he was.
According to the Bible statements, if Jews and others do not accept the Savior Jesus Christ, they are judged accordingly. It’s not what I or others believe Sandy, it’s whether or not YOU BELIEVE what the Bible (GOD) says.
I suspect you don’t because you keep attempting to paint the God of the Bible as cruel and mean. Something you have stated repeatedly in the past. Well, God is a jealous God. Did you ever study that? Read the Bible to find the answer to your own insipid question(s).
Mormon god, an exalted man who earned his way to heaven/godhood and is still working on his “perfection”.
I SO hope you’re right.
What is killing me is that suddenly the RIGHT is to blame for the vilification of the Mormon faith.
Anybody who pays attention (or isn’t a dishonest member of the msm) knows that the LEFT has been cruelly attacking them for years. The gays and the theatrical community has been disgusting in their treatment of Mormons.
What the msm don’t want you to know is that the biggest hit on Broadway is the vicious “Book of Mormon” produced by the South Park people. I have liberal friends who tell me it’s offensive in the extreme. Then again, I have liberal friends who love it to death. My husband and I refuse to see it.
A very appropriate description of JS.
After reading all of these beliefs of Mormanism my head is spinning......Lets not forget Glenn Beck is a devot Morman. Where does that put him with us?? Are we being duped by everyone? I am only putting my thoughts into words and not condeming anyone at the moment
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