Posted on 10/05/2011 11:41:13 PM PDT by neverdem
Be careful what you wish for, House Republicans, over the metastasizing Operation "Fast and Furious" scandal at the U.S. Department of Justice. You just might get it.
A Special Prosecutor, I mean. That's exactly what, as we move into the 2012 election year, the GOP shouldn't want.
From a GOP political perspective, Operation "Fast and Furious" is the kind of thing you pray to Jesus for. A year before a national election, the story breaks that some numb nuts at Main DOJ -- the agency formerly known as ATF, to be specific -- conceived a novel idea for catching Mexican cartels (and their U.S. firearms suppliers) in illegal gun smuggling. Here's how: let's have the U.S. Government give the gun dealers guns so they can be smuggled.
Lots of guns -- at least count, at least 2,000 of them.
It worked too. Oh, my, how it worked.
The US government-supplied weapons were duly purchased by the bad guys. They were then duly "walked" into Mexico. You'll never guess what happened next.
The Mexican gun cartels used the U.S.-provided guns to kill Mexicans. Lots of Mexicans. The complete death toll is still being tallied.
The Mexican government is beside itself. And ATF has a new acting head.
That's only the beginning. The paper trail for this too-stupid-to-live idea, it's emerging, leads directly into the top level of DOJ - to Attorney General Eric Holder and the head of the Criminal Division, to be precise.
Wait, I'm not done. It gets better.
The trail of e-mails also leads into the White House. and it appears that testimony by Attorney General Holder before the House Judiciary Committee about when he first knew about Operation "Fast and Furious" can reasonably be viewed as being false. In response to a question, Holder said he...
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You are correct and we need to keep shouting this loud and clear. It was never about tracking guns!!!!!!! It was an attempt to undermine the Peoples Constitutional rights!
And what if the media decides all of a sudden they don't wnat to play along. They can nor only bury this story just as quick, they can run interference like they usually do.
Where's your blood then.
“This was never about catching bad guys in Mexico.
This was about proving that all of Mexico’s drug violence was caused by guns smuggled in from the USA.
As this wasn’t true, they had to make it happen themselves.”
This wasn’t a botched investigation, it was active complicity in creating the crisis in the first place.
This was a set-up to create the crisis so as to justify additional legislation limiting 2nd amendment legal rights of Americans .
Good tactics, BUT...................
This ONLY works when the GOP has a candidate who will go Balls to the wall PRO-2nd ammendment. No excuses, and no compromises—otherwise it collapses into the usual pile of GOP wishywashyness.
I’m wondering who instigated the whole thing? Someone had to say go ahead. Who was it
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Does the name Barrack Hussein Obama strike a cord?
As I said before If they appoint a Special Prosecutor it will probably be Marcia Clark or some other just as incompetent.
Look at what Ken Starr did when he was Special Prosecutor.
He took an ironclad case and blew it.
A Special Prosecutor is not the answer. A Congressional impeachment trial is the answer, but we will never see it.
CONgress is tasked with the impeachment, but who is tasked with the criminal prosecution ??? and then who actually does the bracelets and frog marching job ???
seriously, we are so far removed from ethical and honorable politics, that we have become helpless to dicipline the servants...
somewhere we lost the ability [or will] to git-r-done...the crooks have insulated themselves from the possibility of pitchforks, tar and feathers, or the local lightpost...
I don’t think people understand the seriousness of this:
PEOPLE DIED
Sovreign borders were violated
Criminals were armed using taxpayer money
Look how outraged we become when we hear Mexican troops crossed the border into Arizona.
Look how outraged we become when we hear part of the border are controlled by drug cartels.
Look how outraged we become when we hear of illegal aliens committing crimes inside our borders.
Look how outraged we become when we hear the Mexican gov’t is handing out instructional pamphlets to those who wish to enter the US illegally.
Look how outraged we become when we see the Mexican president call illegal aliens “migrants”.
What Obama, Holder, et al did was far, far, far worse!!!!!
BUMP!
No doubt about Brack being at the top of this, but I’m wondering about proveable facts and someone’s signature on a document or an email.
Actually, you misread the letter requesting the appointment of a Special Prosecutor.
What is asked for is a Special Prosecutor to investigate AG Holder for perjury.
While such an investigation would uncover a huge amount of information on Fast and Furious it would not prevent Congress from continuing any further investigations on Fast and Furious. In fact it would help.
Holder's ill advised perjury is a gift from the gods to Issa because it allows the Congressional investigators to go after Holder personally with a Special Prosecutor who reports directly to Congress while still continuing the much larger Fast and Furious investigation of the rest of the Administration with the facts uncovered by the Holder investigation.
Prosecuting the AG also has the added benefit of scaring the living crap out of lower level offenders so they turn states evidence in return for immunity.
No way Holder can deal with the stress and demands of Special Prosecutor - it's a full time job for an army of lawyers and I am not sure the DOJ picks up the tab for legal fees for personal misconduct charges.
Here’s the key passage:
Comes now House Judiciary Committee Lamar Smith (R. Texas) to spoil our fun.
Chairman Smith yesterday called for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor to look into whether General Holder committed perjury before the Judiciary Committee when he denied knowing anything about Operation “Fast and Furious” until quite recently. The AG, Chairman Smith’s press release says solemnly, has an inherent conflict of interest. He cannot, you see, investigate himself.
Well, duh, now.
God bless you, Chairman Smith. Are you still, 37 years on, seeking revenge for Watergate? Are you like what Talleyrand said about the Bourbons: you’ve learned nothing and forgotten nothing?
Losing in a landslide is the ultimate sanction for screwing up in office or fudging facts to Congress. That’s politics — and next year is an election year. We don’t want a Special Prosecutor, operating in secret. We want a media firestorm.
Let it bleed, I say.
You think they lied to your Committee, Mr. Chairman? Fine. Help us throw the bums out. Raise holy hell about this: call it a conspiracy at the highest levels, a culture of corruption, perjury, obstruction of justice.
Talk about a cover-up. The arrogance of power. Say it’s “another Watergate.”
You know what to do - pour it on! Every day, in front on the TV cameras, on the talk shows and on the floor of the House. Deplore, condemn, express shock. Demand answers. Hold more hearings. Subpoenas, depositions.
Leak like crazy.
Not your style? Okay, pretend you’re Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid: look sad and talk about how “concerned” you are.
But, please, sir, shut up about bringing in a Special Prosecutor.
An SP, Mr. Chairman, will give the Obama White House the perfect excuse to bury this thing until after the 2012 election.
Grand jury secrecy, don’t you know. Can’t talk, sorry. “We don’t want to prejudice the special prosecutor’s inquiry,” Presidential Secretary Jay Carney will piously intone from the White House Press Room podium. We want to, but we can’t.
Wink.
“People’s reputations are at risk here,” the President will say. “I can’t possibly comment.”
Wink.
And the story will die away, just when it got legs.
Who the hell wants that?
So, please, Chairman Smith: put a sock in it. I’m sure you’re a good guy. But we don’t need no stinkin’ Special Prosecutor. This is blood sport - and they’re bleeding. We need publicity, lots of publicity, about Operation “Fast and Furious.”
Let it bleed — all over the front pages, PC’s, Blackberries and plasma TV’s of America.
“What Obama, Holder, et al did was far, far, far worse!!!!!”
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What they did, and are still trying to do, and have been trying to do for a century now is treason: the destruction of this republic, which stands in the way of the Communist goal of worldwide domination.
Our 2nd Amendment is all that really stands in the way of their goal, now that they have infiltrated and subverted almost all other safeguarding checks and balances, and all the key institutions in our society.
Correct. We need to hold hearing after hearing after hearing just like in Watergate. The public hearings is what brought Nixon down.
However, when this starts to spin out of control (next few weeks) Obama will probably request a special prosecutor to do exactly what was mentioned. Once an investigation starts they can Stone Wall requests for information.
Correct. We need to hold hearing after hearing after hearing just like in Watergate. The public hearings is what brought Nixon down.
However, when this starts to spin out of control (next few weeks) Obama will probably request a special prosecutor to do exactly what was mentioned. Once an investigation starts they can Stone Wall requests for information.
I doubt he was stupid enough to sign anything.
He was a half-assed lawyer you know.
Ok I have some probably dumb questions.
How were they planning to track the guns? Ballistics, or do the cartels tell their operatives to drop guns when they first use them, so that they can’t ever be tracked further? Now that the cartels know about it, have they been shooting people up and leaving the gun walker guns behind on purpose?
Freegards
The point is they never intended to track the guns. That is why this is such a scandal.
They had the serial numbers from the gun dealers they enlisted to allow the straw purchases, which is how the guns used in crimes, including the murders of two American LEOs, were identified after the fact. This makes ATF complicit in international terrorism and murder.
The cartels to which these guns were “walked” already knew and some perps were deliberately protected from Law Enforcement in the US by the FBI and NSA and these crimes are being covered up by the use of claims of “national security”.
PS
There are NO dumb questions. Dumb is not knowing and refusing to ask.
Thank you for asking.
Thanks for the info, FR is a great place to ask questions.
I guess what I was getting at is it standard policy for the cartel operatives to drop their guns after they use them? If not, the only otherway to track them is to rely on arrest data, or use ballistics as far as I can think of.
When the cartels uses/used the gun walker guns, do they know they are doing so, do you think? The whole thing opens possibilities that just boggle the mind...
Freegards
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