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Outward Bound New Yorkers (Where most of them went in the past 10 years)
Empire Center for New York State Policy ^ | 10/03/2011 | E.J. McMahon and Robert Scardamalia

Posted on 10/03/2011 9:46:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

As the exodus of taxpayers from the Empire State1 continued during the past decade, which other states gained the most at New York’s expense? And how were migration patterns affected by changing economic conditions?

 

This paper, second in a series on New York population trends, uses the latest available Internal Revenue Service (IRS) data to answer those questions.  Our key findings include the following:

 

 

 

Taxpayer Migration

 

The IRS records the movement of taxpayers and their dependents, based on year-to-year changes in the addresses shown on individual tax returns.  While this excludes persons who don’t file tax returns in the year before or after they move, it measures about 90 percent of migration counted by the U.S. Census.2

 

As shown in Table 1, nearly 1.2 million taxpayers and their dependents moved from New York to other states between 2000 and 2009. Florida was the most common destination, followed by New Jersey, Pennsylvania and North Carolina, in that order. However, as the economy slowed in the second half of the decade, so did migration.

 

The drop in net moves from New York to Florida was especially large. In 2005, with migration at its peak, the IRS data indicated New York lost nearly four residents to Florida for every Floridian who moved in the reverse direction. Four years later, in the depths of a recession that was especially severe in the Sunshine State, the number of New Yorkers moving to Florida had dropped by more than half (from 85,619 to 41,371). Meanwhile, the number of Floridians moving to New York increased by 45 percent (from 23,019 to 33,345), reducing the outmigration ratio to 1.24 out-migrants for every in-migrant. By 2009, New York’s net migration loss to North Carolina was larger than its loss to Florida for the first time on record.

 

As shown in Table 2, the migration pattern to other states was not uniform among different New York regions. While just over half the net migration flow from the New York City metropolitan region was headed South, nearly 40 percent of the taxpayers lost by that region moved to other states in the northeast, mainly neighboring New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Connecticut.  The net migration flow from upstate regions overwhelmingly favored the South and West, with fewer headed to New York’s neighbors. This tendency was most pronounced in the Albany region, which lost taxpayers almost entirely to the South and West.

 

 

Taxpayer moves within New York

 

As detailed in Table 3, the migration of taxpayers and their dependents within New York City reflects long-standing population flows from Manhattan to outer boroughs, from Brooklyn to Staten Island, and from all five boroughs—especially Queens—to suburban counties.  Roughly 94 percent of the intrastate New York taxpayer-migrants from New York City stayed within the region, moving to either Long Island or the lower Hudson Valley.

 

New York City also lost a net 16,182 taxpayer-migrants to upstate New York regions, and 566,037 taxpayer-migrants to other states. The New York City region as a whole, including the suburban counties, lost 92,630 taxpayers and their dependents to upstate New York, which in turn lost 491,890 taxpayer-migrants to the rest of the country.  The region-by-region breakdown is shown in Table 3a.

 

Moving Money

 

The IRS data also provide adjusted gross incomes for migrating individuals and households in the year they move. Measured on this basis, migrants from New York had incomes about $3.3 billion higher than migrants to New York in 2009, down from a peak of $5.3 billion for migrants in 2005.

 

 

As shown in Table 4, below, New York’s annual net income losses from 2000 through 2009 totaled nearly $37 billion. Incomes change over time, so this does not necessarily mean New York was $37 billion worse off at the end of the period than it would have been if no moves had occurred during this period. At the very least, however, the average incomes of migrating taxpayers reflect New York’s ongoing loss of earning power – and, in many cases, job skills -- to other states.

 

 

From 2001 to 2009, New York State’s greatest annual net income losses, like its greatest population losses, were to Florida and New Jersey, in that order.  But Connecticut, the sixth most popular destination state for net migration of individual New Yorkers, ranked third in its net income gain from New York. Conversely, Pennsylvania ranks third in the number of people gained at New York’s expense, but fifth in its net income gain from migrating New Yorkers.

 

Incomes In, Incomes Out

 

The average adjusted gross income of taxpaying households leaving New York between 2008 and 2009 was $58,899, while the average income of households moving into New York was $48,432—a difference of 22 percent.  Non-migrating New York households as of 2009 had an average income of $63,630.

 

A county-by-county breakdown of average incomes for interstate migrants to and from New York is presented in Table 5 on page 7.   As shown, in 16 of New York’s 62 counties, the average income differential was the reverse of the statewide average; i.e., in these counties, the average incomes of in-migrants from other states were roughly equivalent to or exceeded the average incomes of out-migrants to other states.   Higher or roughly equivalent in-migrant incomes were concentrated in less populous, rural upstate counties. 

 

The average income differentials for out-migrants matched or exceeded the statewide average in New York City, Long Island and the lower Hudson Valley suburbs, as well as in all of the most urbanized and populous upstate counties (except for Onondaga County, which includes Syracuse).  The largest differential in absolute terms was in New York County (the borough of Manhattan), where the average out-migrant income of $98,637 was 36 percent higher than the in-migrant average of $72,293.   The percentage differentials between out-migrants and in-migrants were even higher in the rest of the city.

 

Turning to a state-level comparison, as detailed in Table 6 on page 8, migrants from New York had higher average incomes than migrants to New York in 42 out of 50 states between 2008 and 2009.  New Yorkers migrating to New Jersey, the most common destination state, had incomes $10,579 higher than the smaller number making the reverse move.  The differential was $23,751 among New York migrants to and from Connecticut, which also attracted the most affluent New Yorkers, on average.

 

The average income data for migrants to and from New York reflect the same pattern as the aggregate income and population data: southeastern states, and neighboring Connecticut and New Jersey, have been the biggest net beneficiaries of the Empire State’s losses—which can be traced largely to the New York City metropolitan region. 

 

As detailed in Table 6 on page 8, the IRS data show that 177,505 federal tax returns were filed by former New Yorkers who had moved to other states in 2009, and 148,733 returns were filed by households that moved into New York from other states that year.

 

 

 


Endnotes:

1E.J. McMahon and Robert Scardamalia, “Empire State’s Half-Century Exodus: A Population Migration Overview,” Empire Center Research Bulletin, No. 6.1, August 2011.

2For further background on how the Census Bureau computes migration for its American Community Survey, see Thibaudeau, Yves (2001), “Can We Ignore the Migration of Income Tax Non-Filers When Benchmarking the American Community Survey’s County Estimates?” U.S. Census Bureau, at www.fcsm.gov/01papers/Thibaudeau.pdf



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
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To: from occupied ga

I don’t want to get into a “who is more conservative” contest with you because I don’t know exactly what you advocate. However, in all areas you mention, I am not in favor of any of them. I would like to see the abolition of the income tax and a return to funding the Federal government through its traditional method, Tariffs. I also think the Federal government should greatly reduce its overall size and scope thereby greatly reducing its spending in most areas, with the possible exception of national defense. So you can draw your own opinions from that. As for my opinion about government, I think it should return to its constitutional foundation of limited powers exercised. So, perhaps, you and I are closer in politics than you think, maybe not.

My “colors” such as they are red, white, and blue. There are right-thinking patriots both north and south of the Mason Dixon line.


61 posted on 10/03/2011 3:40:58 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas
I don’t want to get into a “who is more conservative” contest with you

Then why did you say

"this forum from Yankee land, is likely to be as conservative, if not more conservative than you"
That kind of directly contradicts your first statement. However, moving on:

There are right-thinking patriots both north and south of the Mason Dixon line.

No doubt, but totally irrelevant to the discussion. The fact is that New York is successfully exporting liberal politics to the rest of the country by swamping local votes with government worshiping wannabe slaves fleeing the mess that they themselves created - like a project "free state" in reverse. Now intelligent people realize correlation is a necessary but not sufficient condition for proving causation. Nevertheless the numbers are compelling evidence that the jackboot lickers escaping the consequences of their voting habits are like plague carriers, infecting other areas of the country with statist politicians by taking their voting habits with them. Moving from one location to another doesn't change one's political views.

In addition, New Yorkers through their representatives such as Schumer and McCarthy are fanatic gun control activists, and believe me that they actually represent their constituency on this one. Most of the people who I talked to when I lived in Moscow on the Hudson feared and hated guns and thought anyone who wanted to own them was insane. This was the prevalent attitude upstate too with the exception of a few hunters I knew who unanimously thought that their shotguns or rifles were OK, but that semi-autos were bad and should be banned (because you don't hunt with them.)

And I don't want to get into the whole tax thng. They complained about the taxes, but then were horrified by any politician who wanted to "cut services." And I quote, "You can't let the children starve."

As I said, please feel free to post my couple of numbers on the liberal forums and see what they say. I don't have the time or the inclination to do so.

62 posted on 10/04/2011 4:21:25 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Lazlo in PA
"Long Island accents..."

I live in Suffolk County LI.....and yes.....that accent is incredibly annoying....nasily whine.....when watching TV....I can pick out a Long Island women.....a mile a way....truly embarassing...

However, to be fare....that accent generally emanates from Nassau county.....and dissipates as one goes east on the Island....by the time you reach the east end it turns into a New England/Boston accent to some degree....which IMHO is a lot better than the Long Island accent...

Never the less, I fight the good fight here in Suffolk...attempting to rein in my naive and ignorant brethren...but each year it gets harder and harder as the naivety spreads east...

As I tell my wife, a converted Upper West side liberal...who has seen the light...much to the chagrin of her mother who thinks I have brain washed her, we are like troops caught behind enemy lines...we need to adapt, improvise, and blend in...but one day will make a break for freedom....

You might be surprised by how conservative and patriotic some of us are...even if we are knee deep in the nest of the radical left...pray for us...
63 posted on 10/04/2011 4:56:59 AM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: from occupied ga

FRiend from occupied Ga,

No doubt there is much truth to what you say about many liberals leaving their polluted nests and bringing their destructive mentality with them. These leftists can’t seem to connect the dots when it comes to their political leanings and the inevitable consequences of said leanings. However, much of the exodus from these areas consists of conservatives who have had enough and just want freedom elsewhere. This is a very sizable group which I think you too easily dismiss. Nevertheless, I think your generalization of New York politics is fairly accurate and that’s why I left that state long ago.

I probably should have qualified my statement a bit about comparative conservative values and said something like “many Yankees are just as conservative, if not more conservative than many southerners that I have met.” My intent was not to impugn your conservative credentials, but to emphasize the fact that a large group of these northerners are people you or I would be happy to have as neighbors (well, you might take some persuading...LOL). It’s not northern migration that the south should fear, but liberal migration and that is an important distinction to make. I make common cause with people who share my views no matter where they previously lived, including people from occupied Georgia.


64 posted on 10/04/2011 6:17:04 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas
like “many Yankees are just as conservative ...

I never said that they were all liberal, just that most were. In the case of NY, 62.36%. That allows for a 37.64% mixture of moderates and conservatives.

65 posted on 10/04/2011 7:18:03 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: GodBlessUSA
I wish we could be so blessed again by someone like President Reagan. And soon

I feel the same. The country desperately needs it.

66 posted on 10/04/2011 8:49:03 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (To paraphrase Sarah Palin: "I love when the liberals get all wee-wee'd up.")
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