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To: MrB; DManA; spirited irish; allmendream; metmom

I think the core issue of this debate is if man is fallible in his interpretation of the Bible, but not in his observations, assumptions, and interpretations of the universe around him.


139 posted on 10/03/2011 10:06:15 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

Science assumes that any observation hypothesis or theory may be in error - that is why scientific models keep changing in the face of new information.

Being a creationist means never having to let a silly little thing like evidence change your opinion about something.


141 posted on 10/03/2011 10:11:04 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: kosciusko51

It is useful to meditate on these things because that brings you closer to God. If you are satisfied with your understanding you put the question on the shelf and go on to other things. Which would be unfortunate.

If you prayerfully struggle with the question of what is God’s nature He will over time reveal Himself.


144 posted on 10/03/2011 10:14:33 AM PDT by DManA
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To: kosciusko51

Yep, that’s pretty much it -

the assumption that man is fallible in one area and not in another, depending on your preference (ie, on your Ultimate [extrabiblical] Authority).


160 posted on 10/03/2011 11:05:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: kosciusko51

“I think the core issue of this debate is if man is fallible in his interpretation of the Bible, but not in his observations, assumptions, and interpretations of the universe around him.”

Spirited: Agreed. The hypocrisy is there for all to see.


172 posted on 10/03/2011 11:33:09 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: kosciusko51; MrB; DManA; spirited irish; allmendream; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; ...
I think the core issue of this debate is if man is fallible in his interpretation of the Bible, but not in his observations, assumptions, and interpretations of the universe around him.

It's the hubris of the scientific community to demand that everything they state, which is true today and may or may not be true tomorrow depending on the incoming data, be taken as if written in stone, as if they are infallible interpreters of the data that the scientific method produces, and yet consider that man cannot apply the same kind of critical thinking skills to interpreting passages of Scripture.

It's the same double standard that is applied constantly. When it's materialistic naturalism, it's objective. When it's Scripture it's subjective.

When it's data derived from the scientific method, it's unquestioningly accurate. When it's the inerrant, unchanging, inspired Word of God, it was written by a bunch of bronze age goat herders.

The irony is that what comes form the scientific community is only as good as today's knowledge. At any time it can be disallowed as new data comes in. And yet, in spite of its unreliability, it's still held up as the standard by which everything else, including the Word of God is measured.

181 posted on 10/03/2011 12:11:44 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: kosciusko51; metmom; Alamo-Girl; MrB; DManA; spirited irish; allmendream
I think the core issue of this debate is if man is fallible in his interpretation of the Bible, but not in his observations, assumptions, and interpretations of the universe around him.

In what way is man "infallible" with respect to "his observations, assumptions, and interpretations of the universe around him" when he is effectively limiting himself to what can be known via sense perception?

IOW, the heart of the scientific method is direct observation. Does this mean that all non-observables do not exist? (You know, those pesky little non-observables such as God, scientific theories, mathematics, love, hate, justice, fear, mind, etc., etc.?)

201 posted on 10/03/2011 2:08:37 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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