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To: Cronos

Hughesian pointed out that “The germany Churchill warned of is not the Germany of today” — this is clearly the case, Germany of today is not the German Empire
You sure about that? Germany currently controls an empire of 26 other European nations. The constitutional court decision of 2009 literally enshrined that. It's the German elites (especially of the CDU) that regard a united Europe under German control as their "passion" as it were. Helmut Kohl once said that "(t)he future will belong to the Germans … when we build the House of Europe" (note not any other nation) and "Might is right in politics and war" (this is the man that started the civil war in Yugoslavia by unilaterally recognizing the independence of Croatia and Slovenia, even against President George H.W. Bush's warnings). The ECB is patterned after the Bundesbank, and the euro is patterned after the Deutsche mark. German elites from Adenauer on down were in pursuit of this kind of union from post-WWII onward; Adenauer cabinet minister Hans Seeborn once said, "Does free Europe want to join Germany? Germany is the heart of Europe, and the limbs must adjust themselves to the heart, not the heart to the limbs"—so that shows their viewpoint on who should be the leader of a united Europe.

Now that they've gotten increased power, watch things more closely.
26 posted on 10/03/2011 1:57:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; Hughesian; Berlin_Freeper
Cronos: Hughesian pointed out that “The germany Churchill warned of is not the Germany of today” — this is clearly the case, Germany of today is not the German Empire

olog: you sure about that?

Yes. I interact with Poles daily who have no love for Germans and they suspect them of nearly everything (they and the Russians of course). Yet to them as well your theory of Germany currently controls an empire of 26 other European nations. is ludicrous as it has no facts

On the contrary the Germans have been so desperate to redeem themselves for WWII, they have submitted to being slapped around by Greece etc.

To call the EU the German Empire is to ignore facts. To call Germany the cash-cow of the EU is the fact

Kohl: future will belong to the Germans -- I find it very suspicioius that that is neatly excerpted to "the future will belong to the Germans...... when we will build the House of Europe" nice trick -- what was replaced by elipses? Firstly, he said this during German reunification and speaking to French and other leaders -- the "we" is obviously the leaders of the EU at that time and the first part is about German reunification -- nice sleight of hand to excerpt

And you'll be pleased to hear him say about Angela Merkel: "She's ruining my Europe"

If the Euro is patterned after the DM, how come it is collapsing?

30 posted on 10/03/2011 10:32:42 PM PDT by Cronos
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And your logic fails for the Churchill quote — this was stated during WWII not during your idea of the creation of the EU. This was also set for a different time and place — the Germans of that time are not the Germans of today


31 posted on 10/03/2011 10:34:05 PM PDT by Cronos
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