Posted on 09/28/2011 9:13:04 AM PDT by SmithL
WASHINGTON – Carlos Martinez Gutierrez got caught smuggling three Mexican children into California. Now, his travails have reached the U.S. Supreme Court.
On Tuesday, the court agreed to hear Gutierrez's case, which raises questions potentially crucial for other children of illegal immigrants.
If Gutierrez wins, some immigrants may find it easier to avoid removal and stay in the United States.
"The case is significant," Gutierrez's appellate attorney, Stephen Kinnaird, said Tuesday, adding that "you can have possible breakups of families" in certain circumstances.
Gutierrez's attempted alien smuggling through the San Ysidro port of entry in December 2005 does not, by itself, concern the court. Gutierrez's subsequent efforts to avoid being kicked out of the country, however, matter a great deal.
An immigration judge agreed with Gutierrez, a legal permanent resident, that he had lived legally in the United States long enough to deserve another chance after his 2005 arrest. The judge, later supported by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, rejected Department of Homeland Security efforts to remove Gutierrez.
In calculating Gutierrez's legal residency in the United States, the immigration judge and the 9th Circuit included the years he spent with his family before he gained legal status on his own. The Obama administration argues this was too generous. Only Gutierrez's time since he gained independent legal status should count, the administration says.
"The practical consequences of the 9th Circuit's aberrant … rule are significant,"
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“citizenship can be removed after committing a felony.”
I hope you are referring to the foreign born who gain U.S. Citizenship, then subsequently lose it for committing a felony. Otherwise, if you mean for the U.S. born to U.S. citizens to somehow lose their U.S. citizenship that’s the most asinine of any comments I have EVER seen on FR.
If the parents are kicked out, the child can go back with them.
There is nothing magical that requires the child to stay in the US.
“You two are unbelievable. This is not a Perry thread.”
I didn’t realize that all issues were in a vacuum and that FReepers were unable to discuss interrelated events and issues which are relevant to an upcoming election upon which the very survival of our nation is dependent.
It’s unfortunate that you don’t want this aspect of Perry EXPOSED, and want to silence others for bring it up. In my opinion it should be shouted out from the rooftops. FReep on.
Get over it. It’s an issue that is largely a Perry issue so naturally his name will come up. If you don’t like that perhaps you shouldn’t be backing a candidate who is pro-ILLEGAL alien.
I have a question to you, and everyone else. It is my understanding that the entire concept of anchor babies is a relatively new one, and that previously people just born on U.S. soil were not considered citizens, but that after the slavery issue, some time passed and a judge decided to interpret that anyone born on U.S. soil was a citizen.
I remember a thread a few years back that discussed a law being proposed to no longer give U.S. citizenship upon birth, but where other mentioned organizations that were already fighting to remove the misinterpretation rather than try to change a non-existent law. Can anyone shed light on that?
I’ve got an idea, why not let them all unite...in Mexico.
They weren't discussing Perry or his policies on immigration, which may be related, but is certainly not the thread's topic. They were trashing Perry supporters by calling them liars.
It’s unfortunate that you don’t want this aspect of Perry EXPOSED, and want to silence others for bring it up.
You assume facts not in evidence. I don't want anyone silenced when discussing policy issues and I made no such claim. However, it is IMO inappropriate to trash Perry supporters on this thread. These two have a habit of dragging their dislike of Perry supporters into as many threads as possible. They regularly take threads off-topic. It's rude and inconsiderate.
It’s not your discussion of Perry’s policies that is unbelievable - it’s your near-constant personal attacks on Perry supporters.
The two of you seem incapable of discussing candidates and policies without dragging others through the mud.
Way to raise the level of discourse at FR. Carry on.
It is the PerryBots who have lowered the level of discourse, I just send back what comes my way. If that’s not to your liking perhaps you should have a talk with your cronies and ask them to respect those of us who don’t approve of Perry’s liberal past. Until you do your harping is hypocritical and meaningless.
Not on this thread. You and your sidekick started the trash talk. So you weren't "sending back" anything first sent your way.
If that’s not to your liking perhaps you should have a talk with your cronies and ask them to respect those of us who don’t approve of Perry’s liberal past. Until you do your harping is hypocritical and meaningless.
I mostly stay away from Perry & Palin threads to avoid the vitriol. It comes from all sides. Your insults are not defensive; they're offensive. When I see personal insults on those threads, I usually say something and will continue to do so.
That would explain why I've never seen you or any other PerryBot say anything to a Perry supporter when they attack those of us smart and/or honest enough to know and say that Perry, with his liberal past is not a conservative. Thanks for the clarification.
I can appreciate your point of view. I do not support Perry, but I don’t trash those who do. I have seen that happen with Ron Paul, Chris Christie, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and increasingly, Sarah Palin. That is the nature of politics, I suppose, and as this is a public forum, and near instantaneous; I suppose that people carry thoughts over from thread to thread, and that rants, likewise, carry over.
In any event, like I said, I do see what you were saying, and apologize for “pouncing,” so to speak, but I’m fed up of the tactic (always used by liberals, not frequently used by everybody) to just shush and silence everyone they don’t agree with. Tempers seem to be running higher every year, and especially every election. I can respect a call for all of us to be more civil, myself included. My apologies.
Apology accepted and appreciated.
As I said, I give back what comes my way. I started commenting on Perry threads months ago and was immediately attacked by his liberal supporters — people who would be more at home at DU with others who share their liberal views. What you see in this thread is mild compared to what those of us who haven’t drunk the Perry Kool-Aid see regularly. I ignore 99% of the vitriol that comes my way. And you’re complaining because you witnessed a small part of it? Get a thinker skin or try ignoring it yourself because as long as Perry’s liberal supporters are infesting this conservative forum there will be acrimony.
Back to my original point, this isn’t a Perry thread. Nobody attacked you first. Your trashing Perry supporters just for kicks doesn’t belong on this thread. That remains my point.
Carry on.
Ping!
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