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Illegal Immigration Collapse
Wall Street Journal ^ | 9/24/11 | editors

Posted on 09/25/2011 10:11:11 AM PDT by Eva

To listen to the recent Republican Presidential debates, you'd think illegal immigration was the biggest threat to the U.S. economy—not to mention to the rule of law, our social fabric and national security. We hate to spoil the political reverie, but the real immigration story these days is how many fewer illegal migrants are trying to get into the land of the free.

That's the news from the Department of Homeland Security, which reports that border apprehensions have dropped to their lowest level in nearly 40 years. For fiscal 2010, arrests were 463,000, down from 724,000 in 2008—a one-third decline in two years.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; gopdebate; illegalimmigration; immigration; palin; perry; wsj
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To: Eva
I am not defending Perry. I am pointing out that attacking any Republican during the primary is doing the Democrat’s job for them and enables Romney.

You think we shouldn't be attacking Republicans, but yet you just attacked a Republican. Gotcha! I see how you work!

Since you and your fellow libertarians seem bent on knocking off Perry,

I'm not a libertarian, and that is a very pathetic attack. If you think the only people who don't like Perry are libertarians, you're going to be in for a shock.

The media are ready to crown Romney because he is the most “moderate” of the group.

You're obviously not paying attention or you have selective hearing, because they are constantly trying to make this the Romney and Perry show, and are constantly trying to denigrate Cain.
301 posted on 09/26/2011 3:20:19 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Eva
Perry’s performance would have done him in, whether or not he was being attacked.

I actually agree with you. I've seen several Perry debates during his Governor races over the years, and let me tell you, that's about the best you can expect, he's not a good debater. Watching him debate Medina and Hutchison in the Republican primaries last year was painful.
302 posted on 09/26/2011 3:24:48 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Yes, but I am not posting article after article attacking Romney.

The problem is with most of you Perry attackers is that you offer nothing positive in place of Romney. For all the time that some of you spend on Free Republic, there is very little positive that comes out of most of you.

All the negativity is sure off-putting.


303 posted on 09/26/2011 4:09:42 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Travis McGee

I’ve seen other volcano/lightning pictures that have a lot more lightening.

Do you have any idea if the dust pillars have that much lightning, or if it’s a time-exposure shot?


304 posted on 09/26/2011 4:32:39 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eva
The problem is with most of you Perry attackers is that you offer nothing positive in place of Romney. For all the time that some of you spend on Free Republic, there is very little positive that comes out of most of you.

I don't like Perry or Romney, so you've confused me with somebody else.
305 posted on 09/26/2011 4:46:19 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

I haven’t confused you with anyone. Every time you attack Perry, you help Romney.


306 posted on 09/26/2011 5:18:26 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
I haven’t confused you with anyone. Every time you attack Perry, you help Romney.

I do believe that is the weakest defense of Perry I've ever seen. It's not only weak, it smacks of a desperation that you believe your guy can't win unless you scare people into supporting him.
307 posted on 09/26/2011 6:19:07 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Eva
I have a "positive" idea for you. Rick Perry could win a lot of people over if he would publicly reverse himself on stances that a lot of us don't like. He could also win a lot of people over if he'd criticize his donors and return their money when they do things that work against us. Why don't you show us where he is doing that?

And by the way, taking the stance of "IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT PERRY, YOU'RE SUPPORTING ROMNEY", not only does it smack of desperation on your part, because we've all seen this attitude from losing candidates in past elections and primaries, but it also turns a lot of people off to Rick Perry.

Nobody wants to back a guy whose supporters insult them or try to scare them.
308 posted on 09/26/2011 6:27:06 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

I’m not interested in Perry trying to win folks over and we certainly don’t need another flip flopper.

I just want conservatives to be honest about who they are supporting and get on with this primary in a way that excites people instead of turning them off.

I’ through with Michelle Bachman after her Gardisil attacks. I used to like her.


309 posted on 09/26/2011 7:42:06 PM PDT by Eva
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To: lentulusgracchus; GOPcapitalist; Pelham; Eva
Lincoln's interest in colonization was very much alive and well on the day he died. There are no notes of his interview with Sickles, which took place about the 10th or the 11th, when of course the air was full of the good news from Appomattox.

There is, of course, Benjamin Butler's conversation with Lincoln about colonization a few days before the assassination. Evidence has been found that Butler did meet with Lincoln during that period. See White House scheduling pass for April 11, 1865, found in Butler's papers.

According to Butler, Lincoln was worried about what to do with black soldiers after the war. Butler proposed to send 150,000 of them to Panama to dig the canal. Since they were still soldiers, they could be ordered to serve there. Butler said that Lincoln thought the idea had some "meat" in it and that he would discuss the matter with Grant.

310 posted on 09/26/2011 8:48:10 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
If you'll remember, they kept changing where the train would go before the election to increase the vote for White.

No, I don't remember hearing or seeing that, but somehow I don't disbelieve you -- it would be typical. And if they did, I wouldn't read about it in the lying SOS called the Houston Chronicle. That's a given.

311 posted on 09/26/2011 8:49:25 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Eva
I just want conservatives to be honest about who they are supporting and get on with this primary in a way that excites people instead of turning them off.

Guess what, you're turning people off when you insult them because they don't support your guy. I've got 10 years of reasons not to be excited about Perry, and when people like you insult me because I'm not thrilled about him, well you're just adding to that list.
312 posted on 09/26/2011 8:52:56 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Travis McGee; wardaddy

From the comments section of today’s OC Register:

“I am looking into my crystal ball and I see California’s future. I see ocean waves breaking on the littered shore. I see beautiful bungalos adorned with steel bars. Vintage sedans lining the littered streets and occupying every available inch of parking. Children, lots of them, running around unsupervised. Graffiti on the walls, on the sidewalks, on the paint that covers the previous graffiti. Shopping carts abandoned. Massive yard sales weekly. Shaved heads, hard looks, and fear everywhere. Single family homes housing multiple families and of course the garages converted into a living quarter for the “uncle.” And let us not forget... the yappy chihuahua.

Okay, I really don’t have a crystal ball. I just stood outside and took some mental notes of the neighborhood. You democRATS are playing with fire. Mexico is an ugly place right now. Soon the cancer will be here.”

Of course the cancer is here and has been here for years. The treason lobby will accelerate the decline with their pro-amnesty candidates. I assume that their gated communities are still immune to the disaster that illegal immigration has brought to many of us.


313 posted on 09/26/2011 8:55:46 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: af_vet_rr

What guy would that be??? LOL!


314 posted on 09/26/2011 9:01:20 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
What guy would that be??? LOL!

Are you now telling me that you're not a Perry supporter?
315 posted on 09/26/2011 9:06:36 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

No, I’m not. I think that he would get blown away in a debate with Barack Obama.


316 posted on 09/26/2011 9:31:58 PM PDT by Eva
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To: rustbucket
There is, of course, Benjamin Butler's conversation with Lincoln about colonization a few days before the assassination.

I thought he met with Sickles, too.

From a Sickles bio,

Sickles got anxious waiting for a new assignemtn. Biographer Thomas Keneally wrote: “Dan in his restlessness, wrote on December 9 [1864] to the newly reelected President: ‘I beg respectfully to remind you that I am still unassigned....I hope to be spared the humiliation of being dropped from the rolls amongst the list of useless officers.’ The President was motivated by Dan’s part at Gettysburg to find another task for him, and asked him to him to undertake a taxming mission. Lincoln needed an emissary to go on government business to Panama and Colombia. Greater Colombia, or New Granada, as the Federation of Colombia, Costa Rica, and Panama styled itself, formed one loose federal state ruled from the highland capital of Bogotá, Colombia. He was to leave by January with the purpose of persuading the Panamanian authorities to allow Union troops to cross the Isthmus of Panama, something they had recently prohibited. He was then to travel to Bogotá and raise, with the federal authorities there, the possibility of Colombia’s offering a home to freed black slaves, who were now pooling in Washington and in northern cities. He was, in one way, well equipped in that he had as a congressman got on well with the Colombian ambassador in Washington, the bane Manuel Murillo, who was now president of Colombia.”

Link: http://www.mrlincolnswhitehouse.org/inside.asp?ID=182&subjectID=2

There is other material I've found which, contrary to my memory, places Sickles in Central America the week of Lincoln's assassination; indeed, Sickles heard of the assassination by Indian runner, in the field. I'll send that long quote in extenso, and a link, by FReepmail.

I was probably thinking of Butler's interview; but as you point out, they were discussing Sickles's confidential mission.

317 posted on 09/27/2011 1:40:57 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: wardaddy

Actually, I just recognize that there are *NO* Republican candidates that are strong on illegal immigration... and that in this economy, illegal immigration is not one of the top-3 (or even top-5) concerns right now.

Jobs, the economy, the deficit, and the over-regulation of America are the *TOP* concerns right now. Immigration is still important, but we have bigger concerns. And Perry does have the best record out of the candidates in dealing with ‘em.


318 posted on 09/27/2011 2:22:41 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Pelham

Demography is destiny. We won’t have 50 states under our present constitution in 25 years. Naive (or greedy for cheap labor) open border RINOs will be just as responsible as our open border traitor Rats. We’ll get to say, “told you so” from our old-folks home, but that will be small consolation. Any anglos living in the Southwest today, better get used to living under Juarez/Tijuana/Nuevo Laredo conditions—that is the future of the SW.


319 posted on 09/27/2011 4:45:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eva
No, I’m not. I think that he would get blown away in a debate with Barack Obama.

I apologize then, I figured with the whole thing about not supporting Perry means you're supporting Romney, you were one of the Perry followers.
320 posted on 09/28/2011 2:06:23 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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