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Is shale a mineral? (Marcellus Shale)
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 22 September 2011 | Timothy Puko

Posted on 09/22/2011 9:39:03 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

For anyone who's played the game "Animal, Vegetable, Mineral," it might seem obvious that the Marcellus shale isn't alive and doesn't grow -- it's a rock layer in the ground, so it's a mineral.

In the Pennsylvania courts, the answer is not so clear.

A Susquehanna County Common Pleas court is headed for a hearing to determine whether the gas-rich Marcellus shale is a mineral, and therefore, included in mineral rights. The state Superior Court ruled this month that case law is unclear, leaving big questions over who legitimately controls drilling rights and the valuable natural gas in the mile-deep rock layer, legal observers say.

"With this ruling, it is now not clear who owns the rights to Marcellus gas where there has been a 'mineral' reservation," said Ross Pifer, director of the Agricultural Law Resource and Reference Center at Penn State's Dickinson School of Law. "The leases will still be valid, but they may not convey rights to the Marcellus shale."

Pennsylvania is unique among states in that it does not consider gas as a mineral when it comes to land rights and leases, said Sean Moran, an energy lawyer at Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney PC, Downtown. It's known as the "Dunham rule," a precedent the state Supreme Court set in 1882. The justices have ruled that any land deal involving "mineral rights" -- but not specifically including gas or oil -- essentially does not transfer those oil and gas rights along with the minerals.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: drilling; gas; marcellus; marcellusshale; mineralrights; minerals; pennsylvania; rights; shale
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Given the liberal jealousy of landowners who became rich from signing natural gas leases, I am just waiting for the liberals to try and declare shale gas a "public" resource that is owned by government.
1 posted on 09/22/2011 9:39:10 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Marcellus Shale? Is that a football player? ;^)


2 posted on 09/22/2011 9:41:39 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Erik Latranyi

Oil is not a mineral either so why would they not lump it in with natural gas. Neither is coal, for that matter.


3 posted on 09/22/2011 9:44:06 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Erik Latranyi

What the “Frack” is going on ... ?


4 posted on 09/22/2011 9:44:46 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Erik Latranyi

Is it animal, mineral or vegetable?


5 posted on 09/22/2011 9:45:13 AM PDT by null and void (Day 975 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Shale is a sedimentary rock. It isn’t a mineral though it does have minerals in it. Ultimately it doesn’t matter because nobody is mining the shale.


6 posted on 09/22/2011 9:49:44 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Erik Latranyi

Obviously torts and contracts is easier than strat/sed with a lab.


7 posted on 09/22/2011 9:53:57 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Erik Latranyi

If the bio theory of petroleum genesis is true then it isn’t purely a mineral and in some sense is alive. lol


8 posted on 09/22/2011 9:57:27 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I guess PA doesn’t have COG rights.


9 posted on 09/22/2011 10:02:29 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: null and void

Is it animal, mineral or vegetable?

NO!


10 posted on 09/22/2011 10:04:22 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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Ah! It’s a spiritual entity then....


11 posted on 09/22/2011 10:05:23 AM PDT by null and void (Day 975 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Minerals are solids, each with a distinct crystalline structure, by (geologic) definition. Shale is a mineral, but natural gas isn’t. Oil isn’t a mineral, either. However, if oil is legally a “mineral,” then certainly gas ought to be.


12 posted on 09/22/2011 10:05:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick ( "It is my job to be rational, and I have no doubt at all that I have that power--sometimes.")
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Ultimately it doesn’t matter because nobody is mining the shale.

Call is slate and use it for building material.

13 posted on 09/22/2011 10:06:06 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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"If the bio theory of petroleum genesis is true then it isn’t purely a mineral and in some sense is alive. lol"

Better watch out, Bolivia is going to the UN to confer rights on all living things.

14 posted on 09/22/2011 10:06:06 AM PDT by Truth29
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The justices have ruled that any land deal involving "mineral rights" -- but not specifically including gas or oil -- essentially does not transfer those oil and gas rights along with the minerals.

The article specifies that oil isn't a "mineral" in PA either.

15 posted on 09/22/2011 10:08:45 AM PDT by billakay
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Ah! It’s a spiritual entity then

Close the congregation of the holy earth are being used by the new world order to keep terrorists happy and rich so the NWO can take over the world.


16 posted on 09/22/2011 10:10:02 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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Marcellus Shale

I thought he was a rapper.

17 posted on 09/22/2011 10:11:28 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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Call is[sic] slate and use it for building material.

Slate is a metamorphic rock. It was shale at one time but then it was subjected to heat and pressure which turns it into slate.

18 posted on 09/22/2011 10:16:57 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Erik Latranyi

That’s exactly why you always get an Oil Gas and Mineral Lease.

They can’t even sell the salt water from a well without paying you for it.


19 posted on 09/22/2011 10:21:22 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Tax-chick

Shale is sedimentary rock and has no unique, fixed crystalline structure. You have contradicted yourself.

It would probably fit into the description of “mineral” if the question is “Animal, vegetable, or mineral?” but it would not be classed as a mineral (a crystalline or semi crystalline material of fairly unique chemical composition) in geologist terms.


20 posted on 09/22/2011 10:21:43 AM PDT by djf (Buncha sheep: A flock.. Buncha cows: A herd.. Buncha fish: A school.. Buncha baboons: A Congress..)
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