Posted on 09/20/2011 6:37:18 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
So you listen to Obama and hear a good speaker; you watch him and see charisma. Hmm.
Okay: what’s the greatest, most inspiring line he ever spoke? Off the top of your head, I mean. If he’s a good speaker, you should be able to hit this one out of the park.
What’s the most charismatic thing he’s ever done or said? What, iow, do people who find him charismatic point to as the pinnacle of this trait? Poll numbers in the low 40s/high 30s do not spell charisma. Plenty of pols have similar numbers with little to no charisma. What is it, specifically, about Obama that says ‘charisma’ to you?
Rasmussen is not conspiring to keep Obama's approval numbers looking better than they are. This is the kind of lunacy you'd read on InfoWars or something. It seems to me that you just don't understand the difference between Rasmussen's polling and most others.
Rasmussen uses a Likely Voter screen all the time, most other polls to include big ones like Gallup do not. Likely Voters are not anywhere near as volatile as "adults" or even "registered voters". Early in his presidency, Rasmussen showed a drop in Likely Voters supporting Obama. The other polls using samples of just adults showed Obama dropping much slower. We have now reached the point where Likely Voters opinions are fairly set in stone, but "adults" have turned negative against Hussein. This is why Rasmussen is relatively stable, but other polls including Gallup show a steep decline in Obama's approval numbers.
That is some excellent analysis. Something is definitely up with this poll. Rest assured, it will ‘self-correct’ as we get closer to the election. Meanwhile, all indicators are that Obama is far less popular than Ras would have us believe.
There is zero chance that Obama’s approval among likely voters has not suffered from 2009 to now. A virtual tidal wave of evidence supports that Obama is MUCH less popular among likely voters (including the 2010 mid-terms and the recent NY-9 special election). The ONLY it of evidence to support that position is Rasmussen.
Not buying it for one second.
Why? He doesn't inspire me at all. I oppose pretty much everything he says and stands for. I can plainly hear that he speaks very well though. I can contrast a person who speaks well against one who doesn't. Obama speaks well, Bush didn't. I dislike what Obama is saying but his speeches are delivered well, I supported much of what Bush said but his speeches made me grit my teeth. What is so hard to get about that?
What’s the most charismatic thing he’s ever done or said? What, iow, do people who find him charismatic point to as the pinnacle of this trait?
The man doesn't have that effect on me, other than that I think he delivers policy speeches full of bad ideas very well. Who finds him charismatic? Where have you been? The guy bamboozled over half the country and dazzled the establishment along with millions of others with his oratory. Did you not see all the fainting and crying going on at his rallies?
I really don't understand what your trying to argue here. I am trying to be objective, and it sounds like are unable to do the same. I think Hussein is leftwing ideologue and a disaster as a President, but I don't mind being objective about how he got into power. The man has the gift of gab. It is what it is.
Plenty of pols have similar numbers with little to no charisma.
Just anyone doesn't win huge election victories. The point I am making is Hussein is long on oratory, and very short on actual ideas. He is an effective speaker, but his message is full of fail. My analysis isn't exactly new here, I thought most people already realized this.
No president in my lifetime has had even half the favorable press treatment Obama had during the campaign and since. I don’t confuse his media hype with his personal attributes. You think he speaks well but can’t quote a single good line. You say people consider him charismatic but you can’t cite a single reason why. Maybe people like him because they are takers and he promises to spread the wealth. That’s not charisma. Nor is his bobble-head telepromptering good speech making.
Obama will get at least 45% of the vote in 2012. Period. That is pretty much his floor. Between minorities, assorted victim groups, union tools, college mushheads, homo's, a large share emotionally driven ignorant female voters, etc, etc, Obama will get at least 45% of the vote (which are Likely Voters). Rasmussen's polling is pretty much showing exactly that.
If you want to believe in some loopy conspiracy theory about Rasmussen, I can't stop you from sounding foolish.
"They were who we THOUGHT they were!"
Oh, wait. That was Dennis Green.
Lol. That’s a good one. How about this one:
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.’
It’s drivel. The only reason it flew is because the media——including some so-called conservatives—lapped it up and begged for more. If Obama had the kind of press Bush endured for 8 yrs, his polls would be in the teens.
If even that.
No need to throw a personal attack at me for pointing out (correctly I might add) that Rasmussen’s numbers fly in the face of every single shred of evidence regarding Obama’s job approval. You are resting your entire argument on Rasmussen. Why? Is it because you really support Obama and Rasmussen is your only hope that he might be elected?
As far as getting 45% of the vote, I’m not sure he will. We are entering uncharted waters here and this turd of a president has lost big in every single election where the campaign is about him.
The thing that really gets me about 0bama is what media people think passes for good public speaking these days.
His words are vacuous. They’re tripe. They’re fluff and fill, pablum in a world that seeks only to hear what it wants to hear. When they get what they ask for, suddenly it’s lofty oratory.
To me, real oratory is Churchillian. It minces no words, it lays out problems and meets challenges head on. Can you imagine Zero speaking at the start of the Battle of Britain and rallying a nation?
Neither can I.
GMTA. I was thinking of Churchill too, as I was posting about Little Barry’s ‘oratory’. Obama reads empty platitudes and cheap shots in a tennis-match singsong robotic way. Seventy years from now, if the Lord tarries His return, Obama’s ‘oratory’ will be remembered as mediocre at best—if it’s remembered at all.
Yet here we are, 70-plus years on, still uplifted, inspired and energized by Churchill’s mighty words. Now there was a speaker. Obama is puerile, narcissistic and, to be honest, not all that bright. As a speaker, pretty much all he has is the color of his skin and media hype. Churchill, otoh, was a visionary patriot who rose to a challenge most of us cannot and will never begin to comprehend.
Yes, Churchill was a true orator.
You not pointing anything out correctly, your failing to understand Rasmussen's polling is of Likely Voters while the rest almost all use "adults" (including Gallup). Ras was the first to show declines for Hussein because, again, it measures people who pay attention most - ie, likely voters. What other polls are showing, while Rasmussen remains relatively stable, is a significant deterioration in Obama's approval amongst folks who are less partisan, less likely to vote and generally more ignorant. Basically Obama is now losing college kids, younger female voters, etc.
Why? Is it because you really support Obama and Rasmussen is your only hope that he might be elected?
And your whining about personal attacks? Come on, your grasping at some dopey conspiracy theory that claims Rasmussen is intentionally cooking his books to benefit Hussein, and then getting angry when I point out how silly you sound. There are probably few people on FR that hate Obama as much as I do, but that doesn't prevent me from being objective and realistic.
I 100% understand a LV poll and it’s differences with other polls. My point is either Rasmussen was wrong 2 years ago or he’s wrong today. If he’s wrong today, then he would be supported by every shred of evidence that real voters are less enamored by Obama than they were in 2009 (ie 2010 mid-terms and NY-9).
It's a national poll of Likely Voters and is quite stable as one might expect. You can't point to one or two districts in special elections and claim that means Rasmussen's polling is wrong. Just a few months ago we lost a special election in a conservative district in upstate NY when Hussein's numbers were similar to what they are today. That election also had many local factors including a disgruntled former Tea Party/Republican candidate knowingly endorsing a 3rd party fake Tea Party shill.
Today's Rasmussen poll has Obama at 46% approval amongst likely voters. Sorry, but that number makes perfect sense. It is disappointing that so many idiots will vote for Obama, but I'm telling you there is really no chance he'll get less than 45% in 2012. The polls results track reality pretty well. In fact, if we win 55-45 I'd consider that a miracle. IF our nominee goes on to win in 2012, I suspect the result will be extremely close - something along the lines of 52-48. It sucks that such a horrid President could even have a chance at re-election, but what passes for the American public these days are mostly ignorant sheep.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. To suggest that like voters have the exact same approval of Obama as they did 2 years ago is lunacy IMO and nothing (including the way Obama is acting) would suggest this to be true.
While there are a million potential reasons for Rasmussen’s number to be ‘wrong’..the reason doesn’t matter. The fact is that the country has been slowly turning against him over the past 24 months...and it’s gotten to the point where some in the media are even becoming vocal about it. That should be reflected by Rasmussen....
Likely voters began that turn against him as soon as he started pushing Porkulus and Obamacare - ie, almost immediately. That's the point. Rasmussen's numbers were leading indicators. What we see in other polls and the media is now taking notice of, is that the greater population of "adults" is turning against him. This trend is reflected in most other polling. At the beginning of his term we had a situation where Likely Voters were soured on Hussein FAR more than "adults", now the opposite seems to be true.
I'd expect the polls that use "adults" to fluctuate a lot going forward. Today Hussein is back to 42% in Gallup. He may even crawl back to 45% or more before falling off again. Any poll that uses "adults" is very susceptible to dramatic shifts depending on the lead stories of the day. Meanwhile Rasmussen, unless anything changes dramatically, will probably stay steady at around 45% which is right about the minimum percentage of the vote I'd expect him to get in 2012.
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