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To: hosepipe

I would disagree with you here. The whole controversy is over worldview....either we believe in fascism or freedom. Government mandating any known toxins into the body without permission of an adult is fundamentally unconstitutional. The ideology of such a person is one of fascism.

Our whole medical system —regulations, research set-up, government grant connections are very troubling and John Stuart Mill is exactly right. We are ending into a totalitarian state with no freedom from government intrusion into our personal lives.

This issue is the core of what true freedom is.....either we are responsible adults who can make our own decisions when we have the WHOLE TRUTH (not just the Big Parma agitprop) or we have government masters who tell us what we have to do-—particularly with our children.

Either Freedom or a nanny state.


9 posted on 09/16/2011 5:56:05 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie

This is such an overblown non-issue. (Except that it convinced me I don’t want to vote for Bachmann.) Are you saying we’re in a nanny state because children have to be vaccinated against all kinds of diseases ALREADY? Have you been railing against vaccinations for the past 60 years, or did you just decide that vaccinations = fascist nanny state after you heard about Perry and Gardasil?


14 posted on 09/16/2011 6:05:59 PM PDT by SueAngel
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To: savagesusie

Good post! Thanks for the clarity.


20 posted on 09/16/2011 6:15:32 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: savagesusie

I don’t get the fascism angle. Wasn’t there a “parental opt out” option?


24 posted on 09/16/2011 6:22:10 PM PDT by bragginright
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To: savagesusie
Did your kids get all the required vaccines to go to school?

You need to brush up the facts or quit bloviating, the Gardisil vac. had a Parental Opt-out. They did not deny any student school attendance because of any Opt-out.

Bachmann IMPULSIVELY took the word from some unknown person in the crowd who apparently made a false claim, Bachmann stupidly blabbed it on Greta as if it was proven science. Now her people don't know how to walk it back and as it is turning out the Lady from Minn. has taken hundreds of thousands more from the pharmas than the measly $5K she was bashing Perry about.

My problem with this whole thing is Bachmann is impulsive and has a bad tendency to open mouth before starting brain. This is a very big deal when considering the position she is running for and that impulsiveness could have very grave consequences.

Face it, Bachmann was just politicing for a VP slot with Mutt, because she knows darn well she ain't gonna be #1.

33 posted on 09/16/2011 6:44:15 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: savagesusie

Bulls eye! I salute you! Mandating from government funded research and conclusion is extremely troubling, especially as government becomes broader and more centralized. Government tentacles have infiltrated too many parts of our lives.

The vaccine push is one example. Diseases are just a manifestation of symptoms, caused by a toxic external and internal environment. You would not use gasoline to put out a fire. For many people that is exactly what vaccines do. There are many more prudent protocols that can be followed to achieve similar results without the dangers.

Stay Strong and IN Great Health..

http://web.mac.com/rblaylock/Russell_Blaylock_M.D./Swine_Flu_Data.html

The above reference material is completely footnoted, referenced and graphed.


42 posted on 09/16/2011 7:05:34 PM PDT by mazz44
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