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No apologies: Bachmann defends HPV remarks
CBS "News" ^ | 15 Sep 2011 | Sarah Huisenga

Posted on 09/16/2011 7:51:54 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Michele Bachmann is on the defensive about comments she made earlier this week suggesting that a vaccine against a virus linked to cervical cancer poses a danger to young girls.

"During the debate, I didn't make any statements that would indicate that I'm a doctor, I'm a scientist or that I'm making any conclusions about the drug one way or another," the GOP presidential hopeful told reporters here who questioned her about the story she told suggesting that the vaccine had caused mental retardation. Asked whether she would apologize for comments that outraged medical experts say will discourage parents from getting their children immunized, Bachmann said: "Oh, I'm not going to answer that."

During the Republican debate Bachmann attacked her rival Rick Perry for mandating vaccinations against the human papillomavirus vaccine (HPV) for Texas school girls - a decision that the Texas legislature later overruled.

"To have innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order is just flat out wrong," she said during the debate.

After the debate, Bachmann took her critique a step further, describing in several television interviews how a tearful mother had approached her after the debate saying that her daughter "suffered mental retardation" as a result of the vaccine.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiscience; antivax; bachmann; bachmann4romney; bachmannisaliar; captaingardasil; gardasil; hpv; perry; perrycare; rinorick; scaremonger
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To: South40

So being as you say “the most conservative candidate” means that she cannot lie?


101 posted on 09/16/2011 8:35:46 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

However, it can cause seizures and bad seizures can cause brain damage and even death. It also can also cause Guillain-Barré syndrome.

http://cervical-cancer.emedtv.com/gardasil/gardasil-side-effects-p2.html


102 posted on 09/16/2011 8:35:56 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: mazz44
The very liberal state of California passes a bill that allows minors as young as 12 to 'opt in' on similar vaccines but Rick Perry, unilaterally and w/o first consulting either the Texas legislature or the people of the state Texas MANDATED a similar vaccine and his liberal followers not only think that was okay, they defend it and attack anyone who disagrees.

I know I am on the right side of this debate as is anyone who lives by and defends the conservative principle. Perry is a crony capitalist who LIED about the amount of money he has received from his friends at Merck and that, combined with his penchant to make horrendous decisions disqualifies him from getting my support for the Republican nomination.

103 posted on 09/16/2011 8:36:10 AM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: ponygirl

My nephew is autistic: but he wasn’t until after he received a series of immunizations at an early age.

Nothing to do with Gardasil, but the onset of his autism certainly correlated to his immunizations.

Something damn strange is going on: we have an epidemic of onset-autism in the West but anyone who questions the immunizations is shouted down.

At the least we need to make sure to space immunizations out. Don’t apply three or four all at once.


104 posted on 09/16/2011 8:36:55 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: South40

Actually I’m more concerned about the senate it this point. In Michigan I’ll vote for Hoekstra over Stabenow. Pete has plenty of RINO tendencies but at least I know he’ll never be president.


105 posted on 09/16/2011 8:37:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

That she decided to run tells you she’s a poor decision maker. The more she talks the worse she does.


106 posted on 09/16/2011 8:37:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: shield

People who live in her district are re-thinking their support for her.

Then they are stupid. Even if she did go off the range with this, she still is a good House member. They should still have her a Rep for her district. She is one of the top conservatives in the House. It is there district but if they vote her out over this than they deserve whatever liberal then end up getting.


107 posted on 09/16/2011 8:38:24 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
You are trying to drag the discredited thermisol proposal into this debate. What we have here is Merck's own report on Gardasil and there are these UNEXPLAINED headaches.

So what was the cause? What did the headaches signify? Was this a major blood pressure change, or tissue damage. By now they must certainly have had a chance to do an autopsy (assuming one of the headache gals died eh ~ death does come to all).

It's not just that every vaccine will have some side effects, it's the case here that Perry supporters want to deny that anyone who got the vaccine ended up retarded ~ with millions of patients by now it's ridiculous to claim something that absurd ~ that NO ONE had such a thing happen to them. More likely there are numerous such individuals. Now, where's the study that proves the results are UNRELATED TO GARDASIL.

I'm sorry, they're not on the net. However, this live human test is reported on and there are headaches and TWO SUICIDES!

Merck did not, in this study, claim they were unrelated to Gardasil.

108 posted on 09/16/2011 8:38:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver

“Nuff said, you probably think men shouldn’t have a vote on issues like abortion.”

Is this something so hard for you to understand? if you don’t know the answer to a health question, you ask a medical expert and base your decision based on that information. You don’t guess or make stuff up because of how you FEEL


109 posted on 09/16/2011 8:39:52 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: napscoordinator

The passion for repealing ObamaCare needs to infect Congress, because Congress has control over making law.


110 posted on 09/16/2011 8:41:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ari-freedom

The thing is that doctors can have different opinions.

I asked my ob/gyn about giving my girls gardisil, and she was very pro gardisil.

Then I asked my daughter’s cardiologist, and she agreed with my thoughts to wait a few years.

I’m going with the cardiologist’s opinion.


111 posted on 09/16/2011 8:42:07 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

All the more reason to not make it mandatory!


112 posted on 09/16/2011 8:42:39 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: driftdiver
So only doctors should have a say on public policy? Perhaps you’d just let the AMA write laws and bypass Congress and the President.

The problem isn't with the policy, the problem is with her facts - or lack thereof.

It's one thing to say "I don't think the HPV vaccine should be mandatory because the state does not have the right to mandate health care."

It's a completely different thing to say "I don't think the HPV vaccine should be mandatory because it will turn your kid retarded!"

One is a public policy based on conservatism. The other is public policy based on the rejection of science, critical thinking, and reason. Every ridiculous stereotype of conservatives as far-right religious anti-science nuts is embodied in Bachmann.
113 posted on 09/16/2011 8:42:57 AM PDT by Domalais
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To: muawiyah

You need to find a causal link.


114 posted on 09/16/2011 8:43:05 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: luckystarmom

The cardiologist is not anti-vaccines. She strongly recommends the flu shot every year for my daughter.


115 posted on 09/16/2011 8:43:05 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Grunthor
So being as you say “the most conservative candidate” means that she cannot lie?

Ascribing your own words to other posters will get you nowhere, it only makes you look weak.

Michele Bachmann is definitely more conservative that RINO Mitt Perry will ever be. She can lie, sure, but she's not lying about how wrong Mitt Perry was on the Gardasil issue. Those who support and defend his nanny-state EO while pretending to be conservative are the liars.

116 posted on 09/16/2011 8:43:36 AM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: 1010RD

Somebody has inflated her ego, and she likes it.


117 posted on 09/16/2011 8:44:05 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ari-freedom

Ahh so I don’t FEEEL the government should mandate medical treatment to 11 year olds for diseases which are only contracted through sexual activity.

And you FEEEL that I should have no input on that issue. And somehow what you FEEEEL is more important than what anyone else does.


118 posted on 09/16/2011 8:44:26 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Stick a fork in her, she's done.

Good, thinking people know that the underlying principle espoused by Bachmann is true. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been such outrage from the people of Texas over this. Sure, it was about the non-voluntary nature of Perry's order, but people also knew that the vaccine was very new and largely untested for long-term effects. Good people are more protective of their children than people will admit.

And since you mention it, mental retardation (it's been relabeled in many areas, BTW, for PC's sake) is an objectively, scientifically determinable organic medical condition. Not so with "autism," one of the most misdiagnosed, misapplied, money-making scams in medical history.

119 posted on 09/16/2011 8:44:49 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: muawiyah
That's fine - but explain how any of this relates to Gardasil causing "mental retardation," which is the whole point to this thread's discussion.
120 posted on 09/16/2011 8:45:26 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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