[little jeremiah]

There has never been a society as complex as what we have now, so it’s impossible to even begin to measure the stages leading to complete collapse.

We don't need to measure them theoretically. We can read about them in the news, every day. It's not "maybe", it's occurring now.

[reasonisfaith]

Understood.

But it’s the distance from sitting at this desk to crawling shirtless through the mud that I don’t think is measurable.