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Never thought I'd see "GOP" and "genius" in the same sentence....

The Lefties seem to be genuinely afeared of this PA proposal.

I'm not so sure it's such a great idea myself, however. From a tactical point of view, while we may pick up EVs in states that we usually lose, like PA and IL, it seems that these would be balanced somewhat by losing EVs from Dem seats in states we *usually* win, like FL, NC, IN, etc.

Ultimately, however, I think this EV idea is dangerous specifically because it would almost eliminate the concept of divided government.

Think about it - whoever wins Congress would almost certainly also win the Presidency. While that may be good when we have a GOP President win and come in with a GOP Congress (well, unless they act like Bush II and Congress from 2000-2006....), what about if another Obama wins, and gets a Congress just like him?

1 posted on 09/15/2011 7:15:42 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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What will cost 0bama is that he is an America hating communist.


2 posted on 09/15/2011 7:20:21 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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It’s an excellent idea, and key to this is the fact that is the state GOP organizations and NOT the national GOP who are pushing it through. Pennsylvania is dominated by Philly and Pittsburgh, and assigning electoral votes to the Commonwealth’s individual congressional districts would break the cities’ stranglehold and finally give largely Conservative rural voters a say in the election.


3 posted on 09/15/2011 7:21:33 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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Think about it - whoever wins Congress would almost certainly also win the Presidency.

Not if you factor the massive advantage incumbents have. There might be a new President, but the Congresscritter would remain.

4 posted on 09/15/2011 7:23:45 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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Genius just isn’t the word. Stupid is. Rig the system and not too far in the future, it will come back tio bite them. This shows the corrupt side of politics - win by stealth and deception, not by winning the voters over by good policies.


5 posted on 09/15/2011 7:23:45 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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Actually, it’s been the Democrats who have been pushing this idea for several years. It’s not a Republican idea at all. It’s been their way of getting around the Electoral College.

So I’m with you. I oppose the idea. It almost makes it like a parliamentary system, in which we vote in one government or another, liberal or conservative, and the president becomes nothing more than a prime minister.


7 posted on 09/15/2011 7:25:02 AM PDT by StonyMan451 (As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.)
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Well, it's the obvious pushback against the Democrat "National Popular Vote" concept: that a state awards its' delegates to whoever wins the NATIONAL, not the STATE vote. . .

Not that they don't have it coming. It just tends to screw the Dems, as shown here:


8 posted on 09/15/2011 7:25:18 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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They are setting the stage for riots.


9 posted on 09/15/2011 7:28:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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This is a scorched earth strategy. You use it when you temporarily take control of territory vital to the enemy, but know that holding it is doubtful. So when the GOP gains control over states like Pennsylvania or New Jersey you break up their electoral votes. Thus denying those GOP districts to the enemy in the future, even if they take Pennsylvania back in 2014. It is just like, and opposite to the Dems plan to allocate electoral votes by the national vote that they have pushed in states that they control.

The Dems want to be able to control as many votes as possible from their fraud heavy inner city districts. The more power divested from the cities the better. The less central control, the harder it is to cheat. And the less cheating the better it is for conservatives.
10 posted on 09/15/2011 7:28:49 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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Republican state legislators in Pennsylvania are pushing a scheme...

No, it was the 'rat party that opened this pandora electoral college box. Its just that the 'rats start this without any brain cell activity, in a knee-jerk kind of way... and now a few republicans have actually thought about it, and have found a legal constitutional way to proceed that accomplishes what the 'rats wanted to do, but now for republicans. 'Rats should never have pushed the notion of electoral college nullification, and neither should have pushed, way back when, the 17th amendment.

11 posted on 09/15/2011 7:29:26 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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Why does it seem that politicians can work really well together and fast when it comes to getting their parties reelected, but they cant can anything done that's productive to the citizen?
12 posted on 09/15/2011 7:29:57 AM PDT by Palter (Even liberals need jobs.)
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This idea has been analyzed several times since 2000 and in the long run comes out to favor the rats...bad idea.


14 posted on 09/15/2011 7:38:53 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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The GOP are genius to them in this case because they are advocating a liberal idea. Proportioning the Electoral votes for a state is a step towards pure populist vote - something they have been pining for since 2000.
15 posted on 09/15/2011 7:39:28 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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The Constitution is very specific that it is up to each State to make rules to govern how their Electoral College electors are to be chosen. It wasn’t until 1836, I believe, that all States finally held elections to determine the electors. In 1832, South Carolina, for example, had their electors chosen by the State Legislature.

Maine and Nebraska already divide their electors this way, so there is certainly current precedent.


16 posted on 09/15/2011 7:39:38 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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If you think you’ve seen Gerrymandering before, just wait until a plan like this is implemented.


17 posted on 09/15/2011 7:40:21 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Palin or Perry, whoever is ahead in the delegate count on primary day)
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“But given the state of the economy and Obama’s low approval ratings, the election is likely to be close”

Close???? Where has this guy been for the past 3 years?


19 posted on 09/15/2011 7:41:49 AM PDT by marstegreg
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How about combining them? Candidate who won the most EVs would get all EVs from that state.


20 posted on 09/15/2011 7:41:56 AM PDT by paudio (The 0bama Downgrade Part Two (a possible sequel to the current horror movie))
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At least the GOP are targeting legal voters, you know...those here legally and breathing.


22 posted on 09/15/2011 7:44:48 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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So who leaked the “the Plan” to Mother Jones?
We have a mole and the VRWC wants to see his head in a block of lucite on the security chief’s desk by Friday.

Don’t forget to set your decoder rings.

BTW: Wasn’t it originally Democrat controlled states that were pushing something like this?


23 posted on 09/15/2011 7:46:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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Pennsylvania might switch to a Maine / Nebraska system, yes?


24 posted on 09/15/2011 7:47:34 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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Something for everybody’s consideration:

In 2008, Obama beat McCain with 365 to 173 EV.

I every state in the union followed a CD proportion with state winner taking the remaining 2 EVs, the split would have been 301 for Obama and 237 for McCain.


38 posted on 09/15/2011 8:06:35 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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