“Under the program, ATF agents allowed illegal gun purchases and hoped to track the weapons to Mexican cartel leaders.”
I’ll continue to post this on every thread I see. The cartels are multi-billion dollar enterprises. Cartels see guns as consumables. That’s why the get left at the scene. Once a gun has fired bullets, it’s trackable by ballistic markings on the expended shells and fired slugs. Keeping the gun would tie the shooter to the shooting scene; blowing a firearm possession charge into murder. Since the guns are in effect “consumed” they are consumables. Cartel leaders don’t buy consumables. If they did you’d see the CEO of Wal-Mart visiting warehouses full of aprons and toner cartridges. Low level buyers buy consumables. The same buyer would also buy the cartel’s toilet paper, pencils and torture implements.
Therefore, the ATF’s motive was not to find the leaders of the cartels. If they want the leaders, all they have to do is ask any underling in the right circumstances and he’ll say who his boss is. You can’t exactly hide your identity when you have 10,000 employees. The ATF motive was to undermine the second amendment. And, it meant nothing to the ATF planners for Fast and Furious that Mexicans and Americans would die because of this plan.
The more I've thought about this, the more I've concluded that the ATF and DOJ people involved are actually guilty of premeditated mass murder and should be prosecuted for it. The only logical purpose for F&F and Gunwalker was to get traceable weapons into the hands of the cartels, have them use the weapons to commit murders, trace the weapons back to American dealers, and blame legitimate gun owners and Second Amendment advocates for the carnage. Absent the carnage, there would be no political blame and no points to be scored. Thus, the guns had to be used to commit multiple murders for the whole evil scheme to work, and those who hatched the scheme had to intend that they be so used. That makes this whole thing a mass murder scheme and the individuals who developed and implemented it mass murderers.
That’s a very well made point. Thanks for posting it.
Dead on target.
Good job.
Moreover, if the purpose was to "track the movement" of the weapons, why were no arrangements made to "track the movement"?
It is a fact that one of the ATF agents bought two tracking devices out of his own pocket at Radio Shack, trying to overcome this rather pronounced (and puzzling) shortcoming in the "plan". Unfortunately, the batteries gave out before the devices could support any "tracking".
It is patently obvious that the stated purpose of the exercise was not its real purpose.
“...The cartels are multi-billion dollar enterprises. ...”
And since they can have ANYTHING they want, why in the hell would they bother with semi-automatic stuff when they can afford fully automatic military grade weapons from ANYWHERE in the world?
It’s laughable to think they’d waste time with civilian versions of these weapons when they can get them anywhere south of their own borders.
You are entirely correct; this was Obama and HOlder’s attempt to circumvent and undermine the Second Amendment, with ATF as their willing shoeshine boys. And probably some of the other alphabet agencies as well.
...Under the new strategy, the Justice Department and the FBI would appear to have heightened roles in the government's effort to tackle transnational threats. The National Security Council has long been the lead agency in targeting transnational threats during the Clinton and Bush administrations, and will retain a prime role, helping to oversee combined law enforcement, intelligence and military agencies. Holder said his department would press to update anti-racketeering laws and extend other statutes to combat money laundering, arms trafficking, cybercrime and intellectual property offenses.Something doesn't seem right about the timing of this, given Holders role in the ATF scandal. I don't know if allows confiscation of assets.