Posted on 09/11/2011 1:04:38 AM PDT by GonzoII
You Betcha!
good post!
Here’s a post from earlier today on the subject...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2776569/posts?page=109#109
Cas,
SP has assured us, if she got it, it would be no quarter for our Bozo-in-chief. I agree in theory though, that disappearing for days-weeks at a time is bad for a declared candidate, but she isn;t declared. Mr. Apple meet Mr. Orange. sheesh
I got the rest, but I didn't get that part. Could you clarify? Thanks.
you are comparing the strategy of an undeclared candidate mr Apple to the strategy of a declared candidate mr orange.
the strategies need not be similar given the significant difference between them
my position is let’s wait and see. I want SP in when in her estimation it will be best for her to win.
if she doesnt enter, i will get over it.
I think he pretty much gave up on September 15. He had made it into the club, and that was all he wanted, whiuch was to get the nomination that eludened him in 2000. After September 15, he could seen that the “Club” wanted Obama, and he didn’t want to make things too hard for the chosen candidate. Palin must have guessed that something was not quite right. What she should have done was to spend more time back in Alaska, but she, silly her, really thought she could build on a good performance during the campaign. She seems to have learned the night of the concession that she was in deep do-do politically. The way they went after her was instriking contrast to how they went after Quayle. Unlike him, she was a real threat.
What I hope Bachmann achieves by her efforts is a top leadership position in the next Congress to work closely with a Palin administration.
Not that Palin is sure to run, but she is hardly hiding. She has just stayed out of the thing because unlike Romney, for instance, she doesn’t have a lot of money. There are too many candidates on that debate stage, and only a few have significant support. But maybe enough to hang in there until the caucus. In that case, there is no opening for Palin. For me the odd thing is that few of these men have a real base, in the traditional sense, not even Perry. The Bushies were to be trying to undercut him.
I agree completely! People need to go with their strengths. A Palin presidency is going to need those good legislators to move our agenda.
Which is why she worked so hard to get strong conservatives in Fed and State offices in 2010. One of her strengths is building good foundations. The One Nation pro-American Exceptionalism Tour is another example. She gets citizens engaged and thinking it is possible to get America back on the right track.
Perhaps... or perhaps they will come up with another theory next week. Last I heard the NEW date is Sept 17. SHHHH LOL
Piers, Thanks for clarifying what you meant. I can see why I was confused with that “apples to oranges” statement because I wasn’t referring to Sarah Palin as “hiding”. My comment RE “hiding” (and that is why I’m including Robby here) was in response to all the supposed Palin supporters (some that are not in reality, I believe) who are using the “hiding from the snipers” motto over and over again. I have seen that over and over again, these people saying SP is not running now because she has to hide from the snipers and stay low so her enemies can’t harm her. They are saying that so tongue in cheek it is sickening. THAT motto makes SP look very, very weak, and it overpowers any real reason why she may not be in the race now.
I am supporting Perry. I have made absolutely no secret of that, and I have wanted to make that clear, doing so either through something I write directly in a post or at least through my FR tagline. I wanted to have that upfront honesty.
But because I support Perry does not mean I don’t like Sarah Palin. I also like Sarah Palin. What I certainly do not like is the Obama people (probably other Democrats and Clinton people too who may want O to win now and then to break SP down for 2016 with a potential Hillary run then) who have infiltrated Free Republic (and probably other places) mocking her and mocking her supporters, sometimes making her real supporters a part of their attempted attacks of her, creating these harmful mantras (like the hiding out thing now) and creating unwitting helpers in the process. I ESPECIALLY get angry seeing some of the Democrat elitists who come on FR under their false names and false pretenses and demean the real Sarah Palin supporters on this site by talking absolute idiocy here. I continually hope that the real SP supporters see their mockery and how they use it against Sarah Palin and her supporters, but every once in a while I just see how pathetic it gets and wonder if some of their mockery is taken as serious by some real SP supporters. When I feel the idiocy may be taken seriously by some, I call the mockery out once in a blue moon.
That is what I was doing in the post you both responded to. I may have been responding to a real SP supporter who was using that mocking idea naively, having heard it, believed it somehow but not realizing how weak he/she was making SP look like, or I may have been responding to a mocker. I don’t know... but painting Sarah Palin as unable to run because she has to bury herself, unable to come out, is unacceptable mockery of Sarah Palin in my eyes.
Thus - she is not in because she is not in. It is NOT she is not in because she is too weak to run right now, but OH, wait, she will somehow be stronger tomorrow. No. She is not in because she is not in. That is all she has given the public so far. That is all the public has to go on.
Now, she may be “not in” because she is still trying to raise some funds for running. Maybe she is “not in” because she is still determining if it is worth the run with the polls down so low (and spare me the talk on who polls are for. We ALL know that was cute and indicated she would not be deterred by polls, but politicians DO use polls for political forecasting). That is OK if she is trying to get a sense for if it is the right time or how to go about things or what she will be expecting and how to deal with things. She may also just not want to run right now and is not in for that reason. It is OK for her to be assessing all these things or still working on whatever she needs to be doing. It is NOT OK to be telling everyone Sarah Palin is not in because the “snipers” are out to get her so she can’t do anything right now, but wait... tomorrow is another day! That is just not complimentary of the Sarah Palin her REAL supporters want to believe in or believes her to be.
Now you know I have chosen to support Rick Perry in this Republican nomination process, and I hope he stands the challenges he will be getting from all sides. I’m all for Sarah Palin either stepping back and saying she is not going to run OR for Sarah Palin to enter with a campaign and to give it all she’s got. You must understand that given all indications as of today and no major earthquakes in his campaign, I will continue to support him at this time. Anyone who truly supports SP as I do RP should understand loyalty, especially when that loyalty has come after openness to all candidates, research, consideration and prayer. I have done all those things, I decided I like Rick Perry and do believe he can pull his sleeves up just as much as Sarah Palin. However, that DOESN’T mean I don’t think Sarah Palin should have the chance to challenge, and I will certainly give her respect for what she stands for.
What I just REALLY don’t like are the Obama and other Dem posters here who daily mock SP’s supporters or attempt to make either SP or those real people who like her look stupid. That just agitates me, especially, as I mentioned above, the real people of this country and here on FR are being seen as objects of manipulation in their schemes, mantras, and words.
For those who really DO support SP and may have fallen to some of these mantras (the “hiding” one being a big one for a while now), I attempted to show what they were doing to Sarah Palin in hopes they would STOP - that those who really WERE SP supporters would stop marginalizing her by understanding what they were doing using that same mantra.
So, I was not comparing apples to oranges and was not in that mindset. That is why I did not understand what you were saying. My thought processes were not in the realm of thinking “let’s compare other candidate’s campaigning with Sarah Palin’s campaign”. I get what you meant now that you pointed out what you were saying. I did not get it last night when I read it since I wasn’t even referring to Sarah Palin as a candidate ... or NON-candidate at all for that matter.
I simply do not like some of the mantra out there that puts Sarah Palin into a diminished box because of a terrible, PLANNED and IMPLEMENTED public relations situation to deal with or that (as I mentioned ESPECIALLY) uses her real supporters who may naively add to mantra that adds to those enemy-devised public relations problems Let SP run and let her rise or fall. She’s a politician. But DON’T use normal, everyday people as unknowing pawns. That is what gets under my skin.
I hope that clarified what I was saying a little bit more - that my comment was not an apples to oranges comment but instead a “stop using tactics that make fun of her or that use unwitting, unsuspecting SP supporters to make Sarah Palin look weak” comment.
I appreciate your taking the time to clarify what you meant by the apples to oranges statement. I really did not get what you meant, and after your reply, I did. It gave me the opportunity to clarify what is getting to ME right now too. Thanks for listening!
However, I did want to respond directly to something you said though.
You made the comment:
She has just stayed out of the thing because unlike Romney, for instance, she doesn’t have a lot of money. There are too many candidates on that debate stage, and only a few have significant support. But maybe enough to hang in there until the caucus.
You have spoken very wisely here, and I appreciate the insight!
Let's say this: SHOULD I have been disappointed in Sarah Palin not having joined the race as yet, your comment (above) provides all the insight required to have touched the empathy and understanding in my heart of hearts.
That, more than anything else here or that I've read anywhere, provides the best answer as to what she may be dealing with at this time.
You probably can't see it through your computer screen, but I just gave Sarah Palin a hats off and a nod.
Well, timing is everything: a time to be born, a time to die, etc. The great running back, for instance, knows how to look for openings and to squirt through. But sometimes there are no opening. I have read that before 1860. the governor of Illinois was a very able, very popular man. He had two problems: one his health, and the other was he had a secret. He had converted to Catholicism, and in a Republican party full of Know-nothings, that was the kiss of death. So Lincoln, after his star-turn in the debates with Douglas—which was life you or me fighting the middle-weight champion to a draw—moved into the slot as the favorite son. Another example.also having to do with religion: Jimmy Byrnes of S.C. was a divorced Catholic. So that blocked him from the running for VP candidate in 1944, leaving an opening for Harry Truman. So it goes. May the best man win? Not often. Just the luckiest.
But you know what? That doesn't mean that the "luckier" one will not know and appreciate the strength of a team mate and do what he / she can do to get that player in the game for a game changer.
Sometimes a quarterback can make an opening for someone he / she believes could run the touchdown if but only given the opportunity to run the ball. The quarterback in the game could position himself in the game but call the call that forces an opening and then call that special team mate into a play. That quarterback was smart, and it gave the opportunity for that other player a chance to show their stuff and make a name for himself / herself during the final quarter of the game.
With that kind of scenario, the quarterback USED his / her fortune to win the championship for the entire community, gave an opportunity and affiliated resources to one with a lesser opportunity to jump into play but plenty of talent to show the raw talent if given (GIVEN) the chance, and boost that player's standing in the eyes of the entire watching audience. That audience won't remember that game play of the quarterback at that point, but they'll remember that player who made the most of the opportunity that was given them at just the right time.
I certainly hope we have a lucky quarterback for our country that will use his / her fortune or blessing to bless another good player somehow.
It could work, I think. It really could.
Hard to know what a man’s character is until he has been put to the test, and in the end, character carries the day. We all know the movie, Friday Night Lights.” The thing is really about Odessa, TX. It is a blue-collar town close to Midland which is the white collar town. When I was there the football coach had a hard time recruiting players because many kids could afford to fly into Dallas and Fort Worth for the weekend. But Odessa was dead serious about football, and many a kid played with injury, even broken legs just to compete. We need a president who-like Lincoln—who will shrug off the pain and give everything, including his life for the country. I have heard a lot of bad stuff about FDR. But he played his heart out, literally. Whatever the shortcomings of his policy, he gave the last full measure of devotion. I don’t see that in this man who is president today. God knows we need a MAN in the job, not a spoiled child.
Whatever the shortcomings of his policy, he gave the last full measure of devotion. I don’t see that in this man who is president today. God knows we need a MAN in the job, not a spoiled child.
Well said.
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