[Yosemitest]

Perry's a bad liberal joke when it comes to security and Immigration.

Here's a real plan.

Let's review what Palin has said:

From Great Van Susteren ON the Record, May 10, 2010


PALIN: I'm proud of Jan Brewer for standing up for the constituents in her state, sending a message to Washington, sending a message to President Obama saying,
Hey, you need to do your job, sir.
And if you're not going to do it, OK,
then we are compelled to do the job for you until you get it right.

President Obama has been suspiciously silent on this issue, hasn't he?
We don't even know where he stands on immigration reform or securing our borders.
He doesn't talk about it. He gets to punt on that one.
And that's unfortunate because this is a big issue. It's all about national security.
It's about our sister border states that are inundated with violence and with crime
because people illegally crossing the border, engaging in illegal activities for too long now.
And some of these border states are saying, Now we've had enough.
I admire Jan Brewer for taking a stand.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you think -- I mean, for 20-some years, maybe even longer, even going back to President Reagan --
everyone has always said, We're going to secure the borders.

PALIN: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Nobody has done anything.
I mean, or almost nothing.

PALIN: Because they've made it political and they haven't understood that unsecure borders isn't fair to anybody.
It's not fair to American citizens who ware here legally, paying taxes, following the rules, doing all the things that an American citizen is expected to do.
It's not fair to them.
But it's not fair to the illegal aliens, either, here.
They want to come pursue an American dream. Some of them do want to be here to work.
But they're forever going to have to hide because, you know, government's going to crack down on them when (INAUDIBLE)

So they need to follow that path of legal citizenship, obviously.
But these politicians, presidents in the past who have not secured the border, they've made it a political issue.
They haven't wanted to tick off a potential base of Hispanic voters, so they haven't made the tough decisions.
And that's no way to solve the problem.
That's no way to solve any challenge in America,
by ducking and hiding and creating division and making these partisan issues out of it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both parties have made promises.
I mean, we pull up sound bites where, you know, both sides, you know, Democrat, Republicans, say, you know, Secure the border, secure the border.
And then once in office, we certainly don't see a whole lot of action.
Had the election gone another way, or even if you were president, what would you do about immigration?

PALIN: The very first thing is literally secure the border!

VAN SUSTEREN: How?

PALIN: People mock the idea of a fence.
What's wrong with building a fence?
Yes, let's physically secure the border. Let's ramp up border control.
Let's provide the tools for those who are putting their lives on the line in order to stop illegal immigration of these aliens.
Those are a couple of things.

And then you don't start talking about amnesty, either, kind of as this last-minute,
Oh, anybody who's here in the country right now, we're going to provide you amnesty,
and even though you've broken the law and we are a nation of laws, you've broken that, we'll still give you --
because then there's going to be a huge influx of those wanting kind of at the last minute to come over the border
because they know that they will forever then receive that amnesty.

So you don't start talking about that,
but the very first thing you do is physically, literally secure those borders.
It baffles me and most Americans why for all these years presidents, administrations have spoken about it but never done it.


Then what did Palin say From the O"Reilly Factor Interview July 9, 2010

O'REILLY: So you're president of the United States, Sarah Palin.
You send how many National Guard to the border right away to secure it?

SARAH PALIN, FORMER GOVERNOR OF ALASKA: However many you need. This is a top priority.
This is a national security issue.

O'REILLY: All right, but I'm talking Texas, California, New Mexico, all of them.
So you'd send maybe 10,000, 15,000 National Guard down there to assist the Border Patrol, yes?

PALIN: Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes.

O'REILLY: All right, so you'd militarize the border.
You'd finish the fence, finish building the fence from Brownsville to San Diego, yes?

PALIN: Yes.

O'REILLY: Ok, the people watching this program have it.
We have it. We assume that you, as president, would secure the border.
I have confidence that you would do that.
But now you have to look inward, all right?
And you've got 12 million people staring at you.
What are you going to have them do?

PALIN: You're not going to give them a free pass.
You're not going to say, OK,
you and anybody else who wants to scurry across this porous border between now
and when we finally do finally get it fenced in and physically secure, we're going to give you a free pass.

O'REILLY: All right.

PALIN: And just because you've broken law in the past…

O'REILLY: So no amnesty.

PALIN: …we can trust you? No, no amnesty.

O'REILLY: But what do you do with these folks?

PALIN: Which means…

O'REILLY: Do you make them register with the federal government?
Do you tell them they have 60 days to get out of here before we put you in jail?
What do you do with them?

PALIN:Do we make them register with the federal government?
Yes, we do.
We're not going to give them a free pass.

O'REILLY: So you make them register with the federal government.

PALIN: We're not going to reward the bad behavior.

O'REILLY: And if they don't register with the -- say you gave them 60 days to register with the federal government.
There's a form at the post office they have to send in like a Census form.
All right, say they didn't do it.

PALIN: You deport them.

O'REILLY: OK.

PALIN: You have to get them out.

As to jobs, American citizens who are here lawfully, they need to be the ones with the first shot at getting these jobs.
We cannot make it easy on those who have chosen to be illegally here to disobey our laws.
No.

O'REILLY: No, we can't make it easy, but they're here.
And we can't starve them to death.
And if they can't work, if they don't have a green card to work, they're going to be hosed.
I mean, they got to pay rent, they got to buy groceries…
whoever the next president is, is going to have to deal with 12 million people.
And that's going to be very, very difficult.

All right, let me switch gears here.
This is frightening me, governor. I'm getting very, very afraid of mama grizzlies.
And you are, I guess, the mama grizzly chieftain.
Am I -- why don't you explain what the mama grizzly deal is?

PALIN: Mama grizzly in a political sense is
someone who is watching what is going on that is adversely affecting our cubs, our children, the future of America.
And there are a lot of common sense, constitutional conservative women who are willing to put it all on the line and run for office
or support candidates willing to run for office to take this country back…

O'REILLY: All right, so this is a clarion call.

PALIN: …and not allow the Pelosi, Reid, Obama administration and agenda continue to put us on a path towards insolvency…

O'REILLY: OK.

PALIN: …to put us on a path toward a less secure and less free nation.

O'REILLY: So you are trying to mobilize mama grizzlies all over from Anchorage to Key West from San Diego to Bangor, Maine, to get involved,
either run themselves or support candidates they like.
This mama grizzly movement is going to take over the country.

PALIN: It's all about stopping Obama, Pelosi and Reid
and what they are doing to our country, to our children and our grandchildren and their futures.

You can't get anymore clear and pro-LEGAL/anti-ILLEGAL than that.
It's a crying shame that Perry doesn't have that kind of backbone.

[Marty62]

PALIN ISN’T RUNNING!

The least she could do is jump in and join Bachmann in the ring.

bachmann has been taking all the right hooks while Sarah sits in the tower contemplating her navel.

[CharlesWayneCT]

I’ll just note that Palin doesn’t mean we should secure all our borders, just the Mexican one. There is no fence between Alaska and Canada.

And there is no fence between Alaska and Russia, separated by a distance small enough you can see Russia from Alaskan soil.

The reason for the first is that we don’t fear Canadians overrunning our country, because they have a solid economy. Until Mexico can develope a modern economy, we’ll spend billions on southern border security. If we could spend half of that and bring up their standard of living so they didn’t want to come to our country, that would be great, but we haven’t had much luck with such plans.

The reason for the second is because there are some borders where it is unlikely people will try to come in, so even though they are borders with our enemies, we don’t need to fence them.

Nobody calls for a fence along the gulf of Mexico, even though it would be a trivial thing for Mexicans to get into boats and take a 1-hour boat ride and come ashore. I note they don’t do this now, but that’s because it’s easier to cross the border, even through the desert.

But if you put up a wall that ends at the gulf of mexico, they are going to try to go around the edge of that wall. We’ll certainly need to defend that edge, and once they realise that boats work, and the rest is a wall, they’ll just use boats. And we’re back to having to patrol again.

Or, we could build a fence up the coast. Now, why wouldn’t we do that? Because we like our beaches, we like the access to the Gulf of Mexico. If you owned a beach house, would you want the government to put a wall in front of your house, cutting you off from the beach?

Well, that’s the problem in Texas. People own land that goes up to a lovely river. They like fishing the river, they like the view. The United States OWNS half of that river.

A border fence would cut off Americans from access to our own river. It would mean we couldn’t fish in the river, couldn’t boat in the river, we couldn’t swim in the river. Recreation areas built by the river would be closed down. We would essentially be ceding a national treasure to a foreign country.

It would also cut off wildlife from the river. There are many species who depend on river access for their livelyhood, and without water, their population could be decimated.

Anyway, my point is that nobody wants to fence in our entire border. So we understand and agree with the concept of strategic fencing. Nobody wants to fence off the beaches along the Gulf of Mexico, so again, we understand the idea that some borders can be secured without fences, and we understand that access to resources like a beach, or a river, trumps building a wall.

The real question isn’t “strategic” vs “full” fence, because nobody believes in a “full fence”. It’s just a question of how much strategic fence to we need. We are arguing over degrees, not principle.

[OrangeHoof]

It's a crying shame that Perry doesn't have that kind of backbone.

It's much easier for Palin to say this because her state is as far removed from the problem as can be and still be in the United States.

Perry has to keep running for office in a state with a large Hispanic population where a "Let's build a Berlin Wall along the Rio Grande and deport every wetback we catch" declaration is a sure way to get voted out of office.

Further, the rhetoric is easy if nobody is examining the pricetag. I'm all for the most efficient cost-effective solution out there. I'm just not convinced that a sea-to-sea fence is the smartest way to go about it.

[normy]

A fence from Brownsville to San Diego???

That's not what she was saying in 2008 and that's because it's a stupid idea. High traffic areas? Yes. Fence off the Rio Grande and cede it to Mexico? Moronic. She is advocating giving a natural border of the Rio Grande to the Mexicans? I don't think she's dumb, she's pandering and would never ever deport 12 million or build the fence from Brownsville to San Diego. Not only that but she was for path to citizenship and against deportation just a couple years ago.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

You posted a link to Jeff Head's website, but that website left out the part of the Palin interview in which she said she would allow them to work (they would be deported if they didn't register and "follow the steps" but otherwise they could work here). I wrote Jeff to tell him that he left out an important part of that interview, but he never corrected it.

"PALIN: Then let's keep it -- then we won't complicate it anymore. Let's keep it simple. And let's say no, if you are here illegally, and if you don't follow the steps that at some point through immigration reform we're going to be able to provide, and that is to somehow allow you to work. If you're not going to do that, then you will be deported. You will be gone."

Video LINK

[9YearLurker]

I wish Palin (and now Bachmann) wouldn’t essentially advocate amnesty once the border is secured—but they’re 100x better on immigration than Perry is.