i dont 'owe' anything to the ederly generation of today...roughly half of which has regularly voted to paint themselves, as well as me and my kids into a financial corner...
your whole argument is that im unsympathetic, un charitable, and at the end of the day, a murderer of 50 million people if i dont buy into some fairy tale of a *fix* to SS which, will necessarily involve trusting the same politicians, and the same voting demographic to do the right thing, if i would just contribute more, and sell my kids into it as well...
'charity' cannot be bought with other peoples money, and yeah, those geezers that perptuated this fruad from day one, im unsypethetic towards...still doesnt get you around the fact that youd rather see a new generation of suckers forced into the system, rather than letting them be FRee...
youve already acknowledged that for your entire working life, you knew the system was unsustainable...as have i...
if its 'unfair' to todays seniors, how is it going to be any less for me or my kids ???
no, life aint fair, and i never said it was, but expecting me to climb into the cattle car and just deal with it, is not the solution...
more veiled insults about how im so irresponsible that big brother mUST manage my last 50-100 bucks, cause obviously i havent done such a bang up job in the past, so Id be better of just bitin the pillow...well, yeah, most of you guys know that ive made a lot of piss poor decisions in the past...so robbing me of more of my future really doesnt sound like much of a bargain from here...its called FReedom, to succeed or fail...
glad you outed yerself in yer 'social'ist collective leanings in this discussion...
Im pretty damned sure that once you miss a meal, youd gladly sell me out for a slice of pizza...
no matter how many other things we *seem* to agree on, personal FReedom and Liberty to chart my own destiny is something that i dont take lightly...if youre afraid of the coming battle, thats alright, but at least have the decency to admit that youre simply terrified of the *ONLY* lasting fix to this charade, which will be the imlposion of the system, or the 'reset' button...or bOTH...
even better, with all the condescension and insults, i have yet to see where all this majoc money is going to come from, or what *assets* it could possibly be held in at the government level...the money simply doesnt exist, and the markets wouldnt support being gamed by the handlers if it did...
its over, stick a fork in it...somebody will necessarily be left holding the bag, why should i volunteer myself, or my children to be the patsy ??? I would honestly rather die tryin, to than go quietly along with more evil graft and corruption...
once again, thanks for your honesty about what you really think the value of my kids are to the commune...i will not reply to you further...
i dont 'owe' anything to the ederly generation of today...roughly half of which has regularly voted to paint themselves, as well as me and my kids into a financial corner...
Well then, that would make them no better or worse than the populace at large. I'm glad we agree on that. One could also make the case that the young voted for Obama is vastly larger numbers than older people did. As for whether you owe those seniors anything or not, there is a moral obligation to carry through with the program that those seniors paid into for 45 to 50 years.
your whole argument is that im unsympathetic, un charitable, and at the end of the day, a murderer of 50 million people if i dont buy into some fairy tale of a *fix* to SS which, will necessarily involve trusting the same politicians, and the same voting demographic to do the right thing, if i would just contribute more, and sell my kids into it as well...
Actually, that charge concerning 50 million people would not be related to you NOT supporting some fairy tale fix, but to you actually signing on to a fix that cut off all Social Security payments to seniors.
As for what I would like to see, I would like to see you not to have to pay many of the things you do today. If you like having to pay an insurance companines for things you could self-insure for, then you would object to my plan. If you objected to not having to pay auto insurance of a couple of thousand bucks a years, you would object to my plan. If you objected to paying high costing health insurance premiums instead of one low cost one, you would object to my plan. If you would object to using pre-tax dollars to quickly build wealth, you would of course object to my plan. If you object to saving enough for a down payment on a home by the time you're 30 perhaps 25 to 27 if you're marreid, then of course you would object to my plan. If you objected to seeing your wife and you wind up owning your own home by the time you were 55 to 60 and still wind up with over $2 million dollars in savings by the time you retired, then of course you would object to my plan.
'charity' cannot be bought with other peoples money, and yeah, those geezers that perptuated this fruad from day one, im unsypethetic towards...still doesnt get you around the fact that youd rather see a new generation of suckers forced into the system, rather than letting them be FRee...
Actually, I'm all for changing the Social Security system and have said so a number of times to you directly here. So far you have yet to acknowledge that fact. Instead you continue to ramble on about me being a Lefty and think my standing behind our current seniors is evil.
youve already acknowledged that for your entire working life, you knew the system was unsustainable...as have i...
Yes I have. The problem you continue to ignore, is that to change things, we have to change the make-up of our government. We not only have to quit voting in Democrats to the White House, the House, and the Senate, we have to quit voting in RINOs as well. Look what happned when we had an open window from January 2001, to December 2006. With regard to Social Security, nothing happened.
None the less, when I rail on Bush around here, his adoring fans crawl out from behind the woodwork to praise him, some even calling him better than Reagan.
Blame seniors excusively for this? LOL
if its 'unfair' to todays seniors, how is it going to be any less for me or my kids ???
It won't be, but there has to be a new plan put in place that gives your family as well as today's seniors some consideration.
no, life aint fair, and i never said it was, but expecting me to climb into the cattle car and just deal with it, is not the solution...
It wasn't the solution for us either. We are all nearing retirement with far less than we could have had, had the S.S. system been corrected. The difference between you and I, is that I realize why things were not changed, and you simply cannot. It's easier for you to blame things on folks who didn't have a chance of changing things, than come to terms with the reality we all face.
Seniors did not elect to do this to you, or continue to do this to you, pure and simple.
more veiled insults about how im so irresponsible that big brother mUST manage my last 50-100 bucks, cause obviously i havent done such a bang up job in the past, so Id be better of just bitin the pillow...well, yeah, most of you guys know that ive made a lot of piss poor decisions in the past...so robbing me of more of my future really doesnt sound like much of a bargain from here...its called FReedom, to succeed or fail...
I'm not here to rip you. I have no personal knowledge of your family situation. I haven't keyed in on things that have been discussed in other areas at other times on the forum. That's none of my business. I merely keyed in on your comments about Alpo and what that seemed to indicate to me. I considered your Alpo comment to be somewhat fictional, and addressed it in terms that would counter some of your premises. That's it.
glad you outed yerself in yer 'social'ist collective leanings in this discussion...
What is statist, socialist, collectivist about saying that I would prefer Social Security be converted into a privately held and managed fund that would alter and reduce your exposure to some high-ticket items your family has to spend money on today, that would see your family beome much more financial stable, with less effort, paying less taxes, and wind up making you rather wealthy in the process?
Im pretty damned sure that once you miss a meal, youd gladly sell me out for a slice of pizza...
Well, right now I'm doing my best to advocate for a system that would be far better for you. I've dealt with pre-tax contributions, and I would like to see you be able to save money into a fund of your own that would see you only lose around $0.33 cents of take home, for each $1.00 dollar you saved. I would like to see you stop having to pay for car insurance, once you had saved up enough money. I would like to see you save in a number of areas, that would make your family life better. I would like to make it possible for you to become much more successful, than you could be today. We all get raked over the coals paying out for things we could handle on our own easily with a small catestrophic coverage policy.
no matter how many other things we *seem* to agree on, personal FReedom and Liberty to chart my own destiny is something that i dont take lightly...if youre afraid of the coming battle, thats alright, but at least have the decency to admit that youre simply terrified of the *ONLY* lasting fix to this charade, which will be the imlposion of the system, or the 'reset' button...or bOTH...
Electing the right people to turn this nation around, is about the only choice, if you value your family's safety. The chaos associated with an implosion or reset button scenario, is not something you should look forward to. You invision some sort of reborn 'Founding Fathers' popping up to do it all again. What you would more likely wind up with is some evil Leftist inspired overlord situation with massive gunpower behind them, and a society experiencing constant upheavel.
even better, with all the condescension and insults, i have yet to see where all this majoc money is going to come from, or what *assets* it could possibly be held in at the government level...the money simply doesnt exist, and the markets wouldnt support being gamed by the handlers if it did...
The major money would come from the same place it always has, your paycheck. It would also come from seeing a vastly reconfigured family exposure to certain necessities they spend money on today. As much as possible, these things would become things you would pay for with pre-tax dollars. That's rather misleading though, because I would like to see most of these types of monetary outlays, be circumvented so you wouldn't have to make the outlays any longer.
If you have $100,000 in the bank, do you need vision or dental insurance? If you have $100,000 in the bank, do you need a $500 deductable automobile insurance that costs you $2,000 per year? If you have $100,000 in the bank, do you need health insurance that covers you from the very first dollar? You start buying $10,000 deductable health insurance. You pay out only enough car insurance to protect you against catastropic loss, above $10,000. This brings your health and automobile insurance costs down drastically. You reap the savings in an account that you could draw from in case of real emergency.
<>New government tax policies would allow you to accumulate wealthy quickly, so that this type of system would work for you. The government would no longer be able to tap your contributions. Those contributions would be collecting interest.
Once you had saved enough money, you could use part of it to place a down-payment on a home, and pay for that home with funds you used to pay out for services, that you no longer need..
its over, stick a fork in it...somebody will necessarily be left holding the bag, why should i volunteer myself, or my children to be the patsy ??? I would honestly rather die tryin, to than go quietly along with more evil graft and corruption...
Frankly, I don't see anarchy as a particularly Conservative thing to admit being in favor of.
once again, thanks for your honesty about what you really think the value of my kids are to the commune...i will not reply to you further...
And thanks to you for being honest about what you advocate for.
I'm looking for solutions and a better life for our citizens. I'm not looking for crybabies and anarchists. Get a grip. If you want support, advocate for something rational people can sign on to.