I want to see Social Security privatized. What you and your kids pay in, should be placed in a fund you control. Until we get that up and working, we're stuck with what we have.
What other rational thing do you suggest?
Whre is the answer to my question? <> theres simply no way to *control* how the gubmint will spend the money...the only way to privatze my retirement is to let me keep my money, and the responsiblity for my own future...
If you got your way, you would be investing post tax dollars for your future. The program I would rather see, is you investing pre-tax dollars for your future. What's more I would like to see you able to invest far more than you can today under such a program. That would benefit not only you, but the nation at large, creating one massive pool of re-investment funds that would spur massive economic activity.
youve railed on and on here about how 'unfair' my position is towards granny, and that i should just suck it up and bite the pillow, all the while wondering what granny shouldve/couldve done...
I know you see it as me defending the Social Security system, bit it isn't. The Social Security system is indefensible. The problem is, you can't just pull the rug out from under 50 million people, when doing so would leave them with zero income after them paying out funds for 45 to 50 years.
evidently her only option was biting the pillow, cause if she wouldve suggested what we are suggesting today, shed be branded a 'hater' or a tightwad...
Nobody is calling you anything for advocating change in the Social Security system. When it comes to cutting off senior's only source of income, when they paid out funds for 45 to 50 years under the agreement that they would get those funds back when they retired, is wrong. Of course I'm going to rail on that.
How would you like to go to work on Monday and find out that you still have a job, it's just that you wouldn't get paid for doing it any longer? You wouldn't get one penny for a days worth of work. How would you like it? How would you put food on the table, pay the mortgage or anything else that required an income?
These people worked for 45 to 50 years, and paid out funds from every paycheck. Now you want our nation to renege on the agreement to pay them back. I'm saying you can't do that, and if you were honest, you'd admit to it and agree that we need to find another way out of this problem.
that '50 or a hundred' bucks you keep mentioning is really nice...glad YOU can set an arbitrary tax on me for the support of someone else...whats next, making me buy a cup of coffee for kids in africa ???
You keep making this seniors or me against you. You still haven't come to grips with the fact that seniors, you, and I have no control over this. I've laid it out for you, what the obsticles are with trying to change the system, and you keep saying Seniors or I are taking money from you. No, the government is taking money from you, just like it has taken money from every worker since 1933.
This is not me against you. It's not seniors against you. It is the government against you.
the only way that granny [or my own 25 years of armed robbery] can be 'fairly' repaid, is for gubmint to take a meat axe to the budget, buy only things that are Constitutional, and spend the rest paying back granny [and me] for the stolen dollars...
Actually, you're on to something there, finally. The government should not be paying out one dime in welfare. I will bend a little when it comes to people who are truly incapable of working, mental illness, physical deformity or some such. Even then, I'd rather see some private sector non-profit organiztions devised to help these people rather than the government do it.
but that would be like me taking money outta my left pocket and puttin it in my right pocket...minus the % deemed 'fair' to give to somebody else that i dont know, and that im not responsible to feed...
Once again, this all boils down to poor you. It's so UNFAIR to you and your family that you have to pay out $50 to $100 per paycheck. And to you there's no unfairness at all if Senior's who paid out funds every paycheck like you are, for 45 to 50 years, have their Social Security cut to zero. You pay out only a small percentage of your check to FICA, and 100% of most seniors meager incomes after 65 is Social Security, but you think you are getting the worst end of the deal and Seniors should have their only income cut off.
I don't think it's Conservative to support Social Security in it's present form, but at the same time, I don't think it's Conservative to advocate cutting off the incomes of 50 million people, so you can have $50 to $100 more dollars in your paycheck.
The result of what you advocate would rival some of the barbarity that took place in Europe in the 30s and 40s. You seem not to care at all, what 50 million people would be forced into, if they had no income at all. They would quickly have no homes, no food, no clothing, no transportation, and quickly no health or life.
I don't like the fact that you have to pay out that $50 to $100 dollars per month. I would love to see the S.S. system changed. I'm still not going to sign on to a deal that would in short order cause the deaths of 50 million people. That fact that some of you can, is very distrubing.
the progressives have won a huge battle in the war, as we obviously have been divided and easily manipulated to perpetuate the theft of generational trillions...
My God you are one dense individual. Today's seniors paid out funds from every paycheck during their 45 to 50 year careers, so that elderly people in their day could have an income after retirement. Today it's your turn to do it, and you're livid about it. In fact you're so livid that you actually find it reasoned to kill off 50 million seniors, so you can increase your take-home by $50 to $100 per paycheck.
Just damn...
the question keeps coming back to what shouldve been done ??? tar/feathers/lynchings shouldve begun in the 30s and continued every time a feelgood commie scheme like this was suggested...
So what you're suggesting is, that if a group of people doesn't like what certain Senators and Congressmen and women are doing those Senators and Congressmen and women should be tared, feathered, and lynched. That's brilliant. Why didn't anyone think of this before. Oh, that's right, SEIU would just love to take you up on that idea. They are livid because government officials are cramping their style. You've just given union thugs the go-ahead, because they don't like what some of our public officials are doing.
When you suggest insane things, the insanity doesn't run in one direction.
In 1933, the nation was mired in a serious depression. In march of the previous year the banks in 38 states had been closed. The New York Reserve bank had closed. Something had to be done, and a number of things were instituted. I disagree with many of them, but I can understand the thinking in that time frame, which made those programs look more appealing.
The remedy is to come up with something better, and get rid of the present program. The remedy isn't to kill off 50 million U.S. Citizens.
if its a choice between granny eating alpo, or my kids eatin it, then granny gets the alpo...
If you get your way, what's granny going to buy that Alpo with Mr. Brainiac? And you feed your kids Alpo because of the terrible burden that $50 to $100 dollars puts on your family. Really?
if she thinks thats unfair, her and grandpa can hoveround to the capitol and beat a couple congresscritters to death with canes and walkers, and i'll gladly nullify a jury for em...
Oh I'm sure you would. $50 to $100 a paycheck being all that critical in your life and all...
It's so charming to see how little it would take for you to sign on to killings and mass genocide.
hopefully, when the time comes, somebody will do that much for me...
Hopefully not. Because if people are given license to kill others on your whim, then people will also be given license to kill on Leftist's whims. And who knows, those little tykes you say you care about might become some Leftist's object lesson. Ah, but killin folks is the way to handle this in your mind, so whoopie, off we go.
Look on the bright side, at least your Alpo bill would go down, and after all, small sums of money are more important than tens of millions of lives anyway, so what the hey.
You need to give some serious thought to the ramifications of what you're advocating.