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How Capital Crushed Labor
Townhall ^ | 9/6/2011 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 09/05/2011 9:49:48 PM PDT by Bratch

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To: Graybeard58

CNC operators are worth every dime. when I was studying engineering I spent time in the workshop using lathe machines, etc. and then programming CNC machines — they do require skill AND knowledge


81 posted on 09/06/2011 6:23:18 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos
There has to be jobs for the other 80%.

Or accept a permanent welfare state and underclass. Your gonna pay one way or another.

Both you and Mr. Buchanan are correct.

82 posted on 09/06/2011 6:26:24 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cronos

I wasn’t required to write programs but it was required that I know how, part of the certification process was to write a program that actually worked and to produce the final product with said program. I did edit programs on the job however. Not a lot of manual labor but as you stated, you have to know a lot to be an operator.


83 posted on 09/06/2011 6:33:03 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Cronos; danielmryan
Apologies cronos for posting this again to you in another thread just now. Thought it might be appropriate to do so here too, since you're having a discussion about communism, the USSR, WWII, and Poland.

A Chapter of forgotten history

84 posted on 09/06/2011 6:36:29 AM PDT by odds
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To: Bratch
Disagree. As did Milton Friedman: The Case for Free Trade, by Milton and Rose Friedman.
85 posted on 09/06/2011 6:38:05 AM PDT by Oceander (Refusing to Vote in 2012 is the Same Thing as Voting FOR Obama in 2012)
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To: Graybeard58

yes — a CNC opeerator needs to know how the manual machine works, how to properly position the piece, how the programming works, to know something about metallurgy, shear force etc.


86 posted on 09/06/2011 6:47:27 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos; danielmryan
Sorry, correct link re post #84.

A Chapter of forgotten history

87 posted on 09/06/2011 6:58:50 AM PDT by odds
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To: Cronos

Thanks for pinging me here. I too am learning much on this day.


88 posted on 09/06/2011 7:45:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: odds
That was quite the story.
89 posted on 09/06/2011 8:04:51 AM PDT by danielmryan
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To: dr_lew
an 80% crash in the human population here

Do not have a link, yet somewhere in the deep dark recesses probably is a plan. A plan I do not endorse. There have been some links and there are those who do believe, if the people become uncontrollable the plan (probably in existence) would be unleashed. Perhaps the plan is already underway and unleashed? Do not know, but sometimes fear the plan is underway ...

90 posted on 09/06/2011 8:19:40 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Cronos
I'm in the final stages of moving 2 million lines of Ada, C, C++ and FORTRAN using a X11/Motif GUI on SPARC Solaris to Red Hat Linux on a virtualized X86 architecture with a web based (Java/Ext-GWT) front end. The initial porting from the old Forte compilers was a chore. Removing the X11/Motif GUI and substituting a data payload over JMS to Weblogic was another key part of the transformation. My customer is a small outfit in Omaha, NE (Air Force/Navy)
91 posted on 09/06/2011 9:01:33 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: The Pack Knight

Secure borders, anti-Open borders, massive immigration would destroy American, &c.


92 posted on 09/06/2011 9:38:07 AM PDT by Palter (Even liberals need jobs.)
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To: central_va

“Smoot-Hawley had little or no impact on the great depression. So quit with the free traitor lies on this thread.”

So you’re happy to endorse poor economic policies because they are less bad than other bad economic policies?

Get rid of the labor cartel, and watch business and jobs flow back to America. All a tariff at this point would do is crush American consumers and feed the state. Tariff + sales tax + income tax is the answer for you?


93 posted on 09/06/2011 11:17:15 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: nwrep
Ask them to sit in front of a keyboard and learn OOP and C++. The future is theirs.

You forgot to add - Learn Farsi or Hindi or Mandarin, as that is what your co-workers will speak.

94 posted on 09/06/2011 11:28:55 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Cronos

The way the system is now is that the dummies go on welfare. I understand that in France nearly half the population is dependent on government assistance of some kind.

Of course liberals will never blame the welfare state for that; they’ll say that capitalism failed and resulted in 50% unemployment.


95 posted on 09/06/2011 1:53:16 PM PDT by Strk321
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To: BenKenobi
Private sector union participation is 6%. Unions are not the reason jobs are off shored. Pure greed is the reason. So a 10% tariff to cover slave exploitation would be just about right. If I had my way the there would be only a tariff an NO income tax. There are currently 22 right to work states to build non-union factories in.

I guess next you'll tell me that 6% union participation is too much. I say even if ALL private sector unions were eliminated it would stop the greed train. 96% of the US labor force is non-union so get real.

96 posted on 09/06/2011 2:39:51 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Competition did not hurt the auto industry; unions did.

Bing... GO!

Of course, it's much more difficult to compete when one is running a union shop. Thus, it's typical for union slugs to blame the competition for the pain.

Union = labor monopoly.

Monopoly = higher costs, fewer choices and the stalling of capitalism

97 posted on 09/06/2011 2:43:44 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: central_va

Yes, and 28 states with forced union laws. Do you know how much red tape is consumed by public sector unions? They need to be abolished.

Tariff and no income tax is the way the US used to work, and I have no problem with that, but at present, it would just be added onto everything else. You’d have the following:

National sales tax, state sales tax, national income tax, state income tax, plus a tariff. 5, count ‘em 5, taxes.


98 posted on 09/06/2011 3:15:58 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Myrddin

True, but that’s still a small operation. Enterprise-level applications are still to a large extent on m/fs


99 posted on 09/06/2011 10:24:57 PM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: slowhandluke

well, most Indian programmers are from Southern India, so instead of Hindi, you may need to learn Telugu or Kannada or Malayalam or Tamil or maybe even Marathi/Konkani :)


100 posted on 09/06/2011 10:26:19 PM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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