Posted on 09/03/2011 2:14:54 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
The simple fact is that a huge number of illegals live in the United States and the ruling class in the United States want them here. Cheap labor like chesap energy has always been a bedrock of the American economy. Since the ‘60s, the native stock and the descendents of European immigrants, have stopped breeding. This means that there are fewer workers. More than that. there are fewer natives willing to work for the kind of wages their fathers were willing to accept, and yes.to settle for the kind of jobs their Dads and grandpas had to accept. The hard labor on farms and in the factories etc. Increasingly, Americans have become a nation of consumers rather than workers. So employers have turned elsewhere for workers. Either import labor without limit-as was done up until 1920—or export the jobs overseas. Of course this has hurt Americans who want to work, but wish also to maintain the middle-class life style they have grown up with. And now they can no longer count on the trade unions, such as the old AFL under Sam Gompers, to oppose illegal immigration. The parties are both courting the immigrant vote and fighting any attenpts at restriction. So what do we do about it? No simple solution.
Your diatribe reminds me somewhat of stories my dad told me about certain people he encountered in his youth. Dad was born about 1912. As a youngster he followed all the latest innovations in a brand new technology called radio, and in short order he was building his own crystal sets from the primitive supplies then available. As a young man he wrote a paper on which he got an F, a grade given as punishment for expressing the wild and fanciful notion that one day the Chicago city skyline would be populated with tall radio towers, that one day this new thing called radio would become a major facet of American culture and change everything it touched. Utter rubbish. Everyone, and most of all his teacher, knew with absolute certainty that life would go on as it always had.
I have never forgotten the lesson of that story, and I have in my own now-lengthening life seen many people who thought they had a handle on all the variables, knew what to expect, knew how to predict what was coming. And yet I have seen these same people get taken by surprise at how new things come into the world. So you go ahead and take your bet (though I notice you are hedging a bit on whether shell actually run, which was your original thesis), but I will stand pat on mine: She runs, she gets nominated, and she wins the whole thing, the Palin Trifecta. See you at the races.
diatribe?!? I am sorry that you think a different point of view is such a challenge. That’s a brittle way of thinking. Nothing you say actually substantively addresses what I said. Just a drive-by insult. sigh.
“many people who thought they had a handle on all the variables, knew what to expect, knew how to predict what was coming.”
So you are describing yourself, then... “She runs, she gets nominated, and she wins the whole thing, the Palin Trifecta.”
heed your own lesson about the perils of certainty.
They could certainly change, but a double digit deficit for someone with 100% name recognition is bad. Very bad.
“The simple fact is that a huge number of illegals live in the United States and the ruling class in the United States want them here.”
Well said. You have pegged our numerous dilemmas very well.
Any social compact that we have has to work for our current citizenry. Elites and ruling class denizens do not have that as their priority.
"For as many of them as there were when the saga began, and the moss grew like flestos on the griorlas, just as many if not more will be found among the discarded along the path of the Felph, the sillbracken Felph..."
HA ha! Made you read that! LOL!!!
8^D
Heh, heh back. I did that on purpose to see if you would catch it. You did! Kudos and double kudos, eey (or however you spell that very Canadian vernacular).
"For as many of them as there were when the saga began, and the moss grew like flestos on the griorlas, just as many if not more will be found among the discarded along the path of the Felph, the sillbracken Felph...You are loonier than a jaybird flying into the trees but you just may be gargantuously funny"
HA ha! Made you read that! LOL!!!
They may just read FR and then roll with the guess and report it.
Stevens/Jetson 2012 ping me to get on or off the ping list.
1) A bet, by definition, is not a sure thing. You assign certainty to me I do not have. But thank you just the same.
2) A diatribe, by definition, is precisely how you responded to my analysis of Palin’s electoral innovation. Indeed, calling your response a diatribe was offered as something of an academic nicety. Many of the finest learned discourses have also been called diatribes. I am sorry you took offense at it.
3) I really don’t mean to insult you, but I can tell from your manner of speech you are not open to novel approaches in things political. That is my honest assessment and that is certainly your choice, and much of the time conventional wisdom works just fine and would thus tend to give you exactly the confidence you have in it. But again, you should take no insult. I do not think less of you for it. I was merely trying to use my fathers personal history to demonstrate that any of us, myself included (and forgive me if I did not make that clear), may become so trapped by conventional wisdom that we misjudge the history happening around us. It is generic to the human condition, and in no way was intended as a personal insult to you.
4) As for almost all of what you just said to me, I never heard it. I think you are, perhaps, a little jumpy, like the rest of us. This internal FR war is not fun for me, and there are things Id rather be doing. Im betting the same is true with you. No hard feelings.
Peace,
SR
“Harold Simmons and Bob Perry are real problems as they are definitely not conservatives. “
OMG, what a dumb comment. PERRY HAS GIVEN MORE MONEY TO SUPPORT CONSERVATIVE CAUSES THAN ANY OTHER TEXAN.
You can thank Bob Perry for sponsoring MANY conservative and Republican politicians and causes, including helping out the Swift-Vets in 2004. Bob Perry was a longtime supporter of George W. Bush, donated $4.45 million to the Swift-Boat veterans cause, and many other causes. He was behind Texans for Lawsuit Reform and other groups as well...
Highlights of BOB Perrys political contributions:
Perry contributed $46,000 to George W. Bushs 1994 and 1998 campaigns for Texas Governor. He has contributed the maximum allowable $2,000 to Bushs current reelection.
Perry was the largest individual contributor to the Texas Republican Party during the recent 2002-election cycle (calendar 2001 & 2002) giving $905,000.
Perry is Republican Governor Rick Perrys (no relation) largest patron, having contributed $225,000 since 2001.
Perry was the largest individual contributor to Republican Lt. Governor David Dewhursts 2002 campaign, giving $115,000.
Perry was the largest individual contributor to Republican Attorney General Greg Abbotts 2002 campaign, giving $387,600. Perrys wife Doylene gave Abbott an additional $150,000.
Perry was the second largest individual contributor to Republican Comptroller Carole Strayhorns 2002 campaign, giving $100,000.
Perry was the largest contributor to Tom DeLays Texans for a Republican Majority PAC (TRMPAC) giving $165,000 in the 2002 election cycle. TRMPAC is currently the subject of a criminal investigation by a Travis Country grand jury for allegedly misusing corporate contributions in the 2002 state elections.
Perry was the single largest contributor to the Texas Association of Business PAC in the 2002, giving $105,000. The Association is also under criminal investigation for misuse of corporate funds in the 2002 Texas elections.
Perry contributed a total of $595,500 directly to the campaigns of 23 GOP legislative candidates in the 2002 cycle, including the 21-candidate slate supported by TRMPAC.
Perry contributed $95,000 to Tom DeLays Republican Majority Issues PAC in 2001.
Perry has been a primary funder of efforts to limit civil liability in Texas, contributing $415,000 to Texans for Lawsuit Reform PAC, the states largest non-party political committee.
Sources: Campaign filings with the Texas Ethics Commission, IRS & FEC. Reports published by Texans for Public Justice and news accounts.
Texans for Public Justice is a non-partisan research organization that tracks money in Texas politics.
http://info.tpj.org/page_view.jsp?pageid=667
diatribe? look in the mirror. you are talking too much and listening too little.
FR war? lay down your weapons. there is no war. Palin supporters have a habit of not taking critiques well.
I merely pointed out that what she said was not as new as you think.
diatribe? look in the mirror. you are talking too much and listening too little.
FR war? lay down your weapons. there is no war. Palin supporters have a habit of not taking critiques well.
I merely pointed out that what she said was not as new as you think.
(sigh). I presume you have a mirror of your own. You know, chess games like this never end well, matching move for move. Do look up the several meaning(s) of “diatribe” and try to forgive me for being honest with you. And I do wish there were no war here, but there is. Color it however you like. Peace.
I don’t know...I like her a lot but I still hope Trump will jump in.
If you are referring to a female canine, it’s acceptable. Using the “B” word to refer to a human being is vulgarity & profanity, degrading, and insulting, not to mention classless.
We all should strive to live up to the high standards Jim Robinson has always set. You want filthy language, Im sure DU, KOS, and HuffPo would welcome you with open arms.
Yep. You are correct, sir.
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