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FEC Allows Presidential Campaign for Foreign-Born Man
Roll Call ^ | Sept. 02, 2011 | Alex Knott

Posted on 09/03/2011 9:46:40 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen

The Federal Election Commission ruled Friday that a Guyana-born American citizen could file papers and raise money to run for president of the United States. But the agency also told the prospective candidate, Abdul Hassan, that his campaign may not receive federal matching funds because he was not born in America.

The FEC’s unanimous vote allows Hassan — who born in the South American country in 1974 — to be a candidate, solicit funds and requires him to file disclosure reports for a presidential bid. However, the agency’s decision stopped short of addressing the constitutional issue of whether someone born outside the United States can be president.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: campaign; fec; foreignborn; funding; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; president
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To: cc2k; SvenMagnussen; LucyT; little jeremiah; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; Kenny Bunk; butterdezillion; ...

Sven, now that you are here, you have never explained to us how Barry the usurper and illegal alien is able to use a Connecticut recycled Social Security Card/Number?

The case Judge Lamberth classified as: “Not your lucky day,” hmmm!!!


41 posted on 09/03/2011 12:13:26 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: ridesthemiles

That’s Obummer’s drunken uncle Omar de’Illigitamae.


42 posted on 09/03/2011 12:14:17 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: jocon307

The question is do they have the authority to make the determination, and if they don’t, that needs to change. If they have the authority and aren’t using it, get them out and get someone in who will. But to talk of stringing them up, as some have (post 15) is not the right answer. Make sure they have the authority, and make sure they use it.


43 posted on 09/03/2011 12:49:26 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: danamco
“But FEC commissioners said repeatedly that their decision to define Hassan as a candidate had nothing to do with his birth country. They said that current federal election law allows for someone to be a candidate, regardless of whether they can legally hold the office they seek and that the FEC is not charged with deciding presidential criteria including one’s natural-born citizenship.

Who pays the salaries of these Richard Craniums?

44 posted on 09/03/2011 1:01:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Ya know...

I think I jumped the gun. I had to step back and ask myself: “Well self, just what IS the FEC supposed to do?” I found that I could not articulate an answer.

Upon invetigatying, I think I overreacted a bit.

From Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Election_Commission )

Official duties

Although the Commission's name implies broad authority over U.S. elections, in fact its role is limited to the administration of federal campaign finance laws. It enforces limitations and prohibitions on contributions and expenditures, investigates and prosecutes violations (investigations are typically initiated by complaints from other candidates, parties, “watchdog groups,” and the public), audits a limited number of campaigns and organizations for compliance, and administers the presidential campaign fund, which provides public funds to candidates for president and nominating conventions.

From the FEC website ( http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers.shtml )

What does the FEC do?

The Federal Election Commission (FEC) is an independent regulatory agency established in 1975 to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA). That statute limits the sources and amounts of the contributions used to finance federal elections, requires public disclosure of campaign finance information and—in tandem with the Primary Matching Payment Act and the Presidential Election Campaign Fund Act—provides for the public funding of Presidential elections. For more information on the FEC’s role in regulating federal elections, see the brochure “The FEC and the Federal Campaign Finance Law.”

Please note that the rules governing elections for state or local offices and procedures for getting on the ballot for an election are outside of the purview of the FEC. You will want to contact the Secretary of State or appropriate election office in your state for more information. For a guide to state offices, please see our Combined Federal/State Disclosure and Election Directory.

and

How do I get my name on the ballot?

Contact the Secretary of State or appropriate election office in your state for more information. For a guide to state offices, please see our Combined Federal/State Disclosure and Election Directory or visit our Compliance Map. You may also want to consult our list of ballot deadlines for Congressional candidates.


So, I still think we have a failure at the state level to establish a legal basis of eligibility verification. But, I'm now inclined to think that the FEC is not and probably should not be a part of it. As far as fraud issues should an inelligible candidate solicit monies, I'd need to think of that a bit.

45 posted on 09/03/2011 1:26:07 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: sometime lurker

Thoughts on post #45?


46 posted on 09/03/2011 1:27:33 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Palter

I think I can guess his campaign theme. I have enough money to pay off the national debt of the US but it is being held in a bank account somewhere in Nigeria but I am unable to access it. With your help we can liberate it but I need some money to bribe some corrupt officials there.


47 posted on 09/03/2011 1:33:38 PM PDT by xp38
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To: SvenMagnussen

Another muslim? Already have one in the whitehouse now, we don’t need another to even begin to run for it.


48 posted on 09/03/2011 1:38:43 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: Godebert
Not sure what your game here is. The Constitution says no such thing.

Yup.

There's nothing in the Constitution saying whether someone can actually run for the office of President or not. Or even whether they can/can't be elected to it. Just whether someone is qualified to actually hold it.

So, IOW, a non-Natural Born Citizen (or even a foreigner) CAN run for office, can even be elected to it. But that person can never actually ASSUME the office.
49 posted on 09/03/2011 1:43:43 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
So, IOW, a non-Natural Born Citizen (or even a foreigner) CAN run for office, can even be elected to it. But that person can never actually ASSUME the office.

That sounds like exactly what happened in 2008 except we found out there is no mechanism to keep an ineligible candidate from assuming the office, especially when they have the support (or at least not the opposition) of both major parties and the mainstream media. So it looks like we're going to go through this every election now.

50 posted on 09/03/2011 2:21:28 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Menehune56
That sounds like exactly what happened in 2008 except we found out there is no mechanism to keep an ineligible candidate from assuming the office, especially when they have the support (or at least not the opposition) of both major parties and the mainstream media. So it looks like we're going to go through this every election now.

True, the Constitution doesn't specify any sort of centralized mechanism to determine whether a candidate is eligible or not. Under the Federal system, that's really left to the states. To my knowledge, while the states have that power (and responsibility) they haven't really exercised it, other than requiring the parties to certify that their nominees are eligible.
51 posted on 09/03/2011 2:29:55 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Tennessee Nana

Well, if this guy could run.........anybody can run.

52 posted on 09/03/2011 3:11:09 PM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: sometime lurker
This nut could not win, but if in any circumstance like this an ineligible person did win, I'd hope the Congress would refuse to certify, and the Chief Justice would refuse to swear him in. It's time for a national certifying body to prescreen using agreed upon standards.

I find it beyond absurd that the FEC has "no authority" to determine eligibility. Does this complete, heads-up-their-arses irresponsibility mean that they would certify Prince William, age 29, known to have been born outside the US to 2 non-citizens and who also has never lived here? [That violates all 3 requirements to hold the office].

As for relying on the House to not certify a candidate, keep in mind that the odds are very high that the House will be of the same party as the candidate - so they are not objective enough to be the only ones to rule on the issue. Frankly, politics is too important to be left to the politicians.

As for any Chief Justice refusing to administer the Oath of Office, that would only be symbolic and stop nothing - Calvin Coolidge was sworn in by (IIRC) his father, who was a justice of the peace. Do you really think that there isn't a single corrupt judge in the entire country?

What is our redress, as citizens, for an obviously ineligible person assuming the office? None, apparently, since we ABSURDLY don't have standing. This is the height of sheer stupidity, even in this Age of the Idiot.

53 posted on 09/03/2011 3:38:17 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: El Sordo

Yep. It’s not the FEC’s job to certify the Constitutional eligibility of candidates. The problem is it’s nobody’s job, legally speaking. The Secretaries of State can make arbitrary decisions to exclude a candidate from the ballots, the electoral college can refuse to vote for a candidate and Congress can object to the certification of the electoral college vote, but there are no laws requiring anyone to do anything. That’s a problem.

It’s the judiciary’s responsibility to interpret the Constitution. So unless they clearly define “natural born Citizen,” a candidate can sue for being refused by the FEC or arbitrarily excluded from the ballot by a state.

It’s messed up.


54 posted on 09/03/2011 4:28:04 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: little jeremiah; SvenMagnussen

As usual SvenMagnussen will NOT or cannot explain the recycled SS# on his theory that Barry, the illegal alien, got it by naturalization which he never shown any valid source from!!!


55 posted on 09/03/2011 4:50:10 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: SvenMagnussen

They are just setting up the coming challenge to Obastard’s presidency.


56 posted on 09/03/2011 7:42:48 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Godebert
I think you know where I'm going. And I know where I was going.

What's important is that 'some people' don't know where I was going -- as I can't afford the bail or a new front door.

(and there's two ways of saying the same thing, i.e: Natural Born Citizen with TWO Parents who are US Citizens = NO Foreign Born, naturalized citizen)

57 posted on 09/04/2011 3:49:49 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Palter

Does that fellow have a chin, somewhere?


58 posted on 09/04/2011 7:14:21 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: El Sordo

If it’s not part of FEC’s authorizing legislation, I would assume they can’t screen. Solutions that come to mind:
1. Amend the legistlation to give them the power to certify eligibility. (This might be dicey, may need Supreme Court in certain cases)
2. Give them the power to ensure matching funding does not go anyone clearly ineligible (the nut mentioned here) and a mechanism to refer questionably cases
3. Create a method for a quick Supreme Court referral/decision.


59 posted on 09/04/2011 7:44:25 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: El Sordo
The FEC investigations into Obama’ last election is what all that Perkins-Coie millions went for. I read an article that it was one of the most extensive investigations conducted by the FEC because of Obama’s substantial fund-raising.
60 posted on 09/04/2011 4:49:37 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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