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Has the AGW argument imploded?
Hot Air ^ | August 31, 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 08/31/2011 9:46:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Has new research disproven the theoretical models of anthropogenic global warming?  A new study by a European nuclear research group appears to show that the actual prime cause of temperature shifts in the Earth’s climate isn’t carbon dioxide at all, or even the broader range of “greenhouse gases,” but the large ball of fire in the center of the solar system.  Not that this study from CERN has attracted much attention in the media, at least not in the US — but at least Nature reported the results and the implications:

It sounds like a conspiracy theory: ‘cosmic rays’ from deep space might be creating clouds in Earth’s atmosphere and changing the climate. Yet an experiment at CERN, Europe’s high-energy physics laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland, is finding tentative evidence for just that.

Er, it really doesn’t sound like a conspiracy theory.  The notion that the sun heats the planets is rather mundane, or at least it used to be before scientists started claiming that carbon dioxide would superheat the atmosphere.  In fact, AGW skeptics have long pointed to solar cycles as a much more likely explanation for the gradual but uneven warming seen over the last century or so.

To find out, Kirkby and his team are bringing the atmosphere down to Earth in an experiment called Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets (CLOUD). The team fills a custom-built chamber with ultrapure air and chemicals believed to seed clouds: water vapour, sulphur dioxide, ozone and ammonia. They then bombard the chamber with protons from the same accelerator that feeds the Large Hadron Collider, the world’s most powerful particle smasher. As the synthetic cosmic rays stream in, the group carefully samples the artificial atmosphere to see what effect the rays are having.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; algore; catastrophism; climatechange; corruption; democrats; envirofascism; fruad; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; gorebullwarming; obama
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To: Paleo Conservative

“Algore’s head is about to explode.”

This, too, is caused by cosmic rays. The Fantastic Four, however, were transformed by greenhouse gasses.


21 posted on 08/31/2011 11:30:09 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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interesting.


22 posted on 08/31/2011 11:38:17 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Obama Debt-Laden)
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To: caww

They have proven that gamma rays entering a replicated Earth atmosphere can provide the energy required to create the nucleus for water condensation to occur. Basically turning water vapor (gas) into liquid water (clouds). So gamma rays must affect the density of clouds in the Earth atmosphere. So when the Earth receives more gamma rays, we have more clouds created. More clouds cool the Earth. Less clouds warm the Earth. The gamma rays are emitted by sources outside our solar system. The sun shields the Earth from gamma rays by the solar wind and its magnetic field. When the sun is less active, more gamma rays enter the Earth’s atmosphere.


23 posted on 08/31/2011 11:41:47 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

So why can’t they use this knowledge for rain on places like Texas now...and wherever drought cripples the land?


24 posted on 08/31/2011 11:45:46 PM PDT by caww
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To: Spktyr

“When its output fluctuates, everything in the solar system is affected.”

Well, that’s not fair. We need to organize for solar justice.


25 posted on 08/31/2011 11:46:22 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

C’mon, Ernest! You know the big bucks can’t be made from that whole “sun” thing. We have to stick with the “man made” meme or poor Al will feel bad and any number of “green” industries will collapse overnight! Have you no pity? ;-)


26 posted on 08/31/2011 11:46:42 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Michael Crichton’s “State of Fear” 2004, thoroughly destroyed the AGW Fantasy.


27 posted on 08/31/2011 11:48:39 PM PDT by matthew fuller (If America is to survive, the national socialist democrat (NAZI) party must be destroyed.)
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To: Spktyr

It’s amazing, really, how the sun affects everything about our planet....no wonder God set it there... and it does “RULE the day.”


28 posted on 08/31/2011 11:51:01 PM PDT by caww
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To: matthew fuller

Yes! One of Chrichton’s many legacies!


29 posted on 08/31/2011 11:52:42 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: dead

The global warming crowd reminds me of the trade unions. If you threaten their money machine they’ll come after you with a vengeance. With billions in grants at stake they don’t care who they destroy.


30 posted on 08/31/2011 11:53:31 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Al Gore was just reading this article on TV. After several moments of careful, scientific consideration, he announced that the only safe course of action was to, "Nuke the sun. Nuke it like it owes us money. After we nuke the crap out of it, wait 10 minutes, then nuke it again."

Kinda harsh, but I think, deep down, we all know the sun has it coming...

31 posted on 08/31/2011 11:56:04 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: JennysCool

I think that it was so cool that he stated that when Russia imploded, a new boogeyman was required. Voila, AGW!


32 posted on 08/31/2011 11:57:58 PM PDT by matthew fuller (If America is to survive, the national socialist democrat (NAZI) party must be destroyed.)
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To: matthew fuller

Yup. The insidious folk who make money from fear ALWAYS need a new monster.


33 posted on 09/01/2011 12:37:21 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: The Cajun
We had a Freeper who presented himself as an expert and backed AGW, haven't seen him around in many moons.......Can't remember his Freeper name.

Would that be Cogitator? He still posts, but only occasionally. You can imagine that he was met with a lot of opposition. His posts were excellent however, and a good balance against the prevailing "wisdom" here on FR. He was good at keeping the skeptics honest.

34 posted on 09/01/2011 12:42:36 AM PDT by Paradox (Obnoxious, Bumbling, Absurd, Maladroit, Assinine)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I just saw a story about this on The 700 Club. I know that some on this board are critical of Pat Robertson and he does sometime say some "wacko" things, but I started watching his program years ago because of their news reports. They definitely cover news that you will not see on any other channel.
35 posted on 09/01/2011 12:52:43 AM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing;therefore choose life..")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This book describes the idea and how it might work:

Written for the layman and highly recommended.

36 posted on 09/01/2011 1:20:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: caww
It takes a lot of energy to create gamma rays and they are dangerous. Concerning the creation of rain - There are two primary factors. First you have to get water into the atmosphere in the form of water vapor (gas). That primarily occurs over the worlds oceans via evaporation. The rate of evaporation is determined by temperature, wind speed and the density of water vapor in the atmosphere (how much water vapor the atmosphere is already holding).

The second primary factor involves converting that water gas (water vapor) into liquid water (cloud moisture). Now gamma rays help with the conversion of vapor to water. The more water vapor in the atmosphere, the more liquid water can be converted. Basically in a high gamma ray environment the atmosphere will have less water vapor and more water moisture.

In a nutshell - Your normal Texas rain was actually deposited in the Western Mountain ranges this year.

37 posted on 09/01/2011 1:22:18 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Paradox
He was good at keeping the skeptics honest.

Some of us skeptics have always been honest. That was never the problem. Skeptics are not the ones who were caught red handed committing fraud.

Now keeping us skeptics correct is a noble and wise endeavor.

38 posted on 09/01/2011 1:28:53 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Spktyr
Behold, actual science.

Yeah, with a real conclusion drawn directly from a real experiment that yielded real data.

Sad that it has to be smuggled in somewhat, but it still got through. The system's been bent, but it's not broken.

As yet, anyhoo.

39 posted on 09/01/2011 3:35:25 AM PDT by danielmryan
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To: Steel Wolf
They're starting to understand that AGW is a faith among them, not a science. They know it's true, but they can't prove it.

You might be seeing a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Watch to see if any of them become embarrassed over their earlier enthusiasm. If so, I suggest cultivating it. When the AGW believers hit that tipping point, AGW will fade into the sunlight like goldfish swallowing (1930s) or stuffing as many people as you can in a phone booth (1960s?)

40 posted on 09/01/2011 3:41:34 AM PDT by danielmryan
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