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Has the AGW argument imploded?
Hot Air ^ | August 31, 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 08/31/2011 9:46:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Has new research disproven the theoretical models of anthropogenic global warming?  A new study by a European nuclear research group appears to show that the actual prime cause of temperature shifts in the Earth’s climate isn’t carbon dioxide at all, or even the broader range of “greenhouse gases,” but the large ball of fire in the center of the solar system.  Not that this study from CERN has attracted much attention in the media, at least not in the US — but at least Nature reported the results and the implications:

It sounds like a conspiracy theory: ‘cosmic rays’ from deep space might be creating clouds in Earth’s atmosphere and changing the climate. Yet an experiment at CERN, Europe’s high-energy physics laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland, is finding tentative evidence for just that.

Er, it really doesn’t sound like a conspiracy theory.  The notion that the sun heats the planets is rather mundane, or at least it used to be before scientists started claiming that carbon dioxide would superheat the atmosphere.  In fact, AGW skeptics have long pointed to solar cycles as a much more likely explanation for the gradual but uneven warming seen over the last century or so.

To find out, Kirkby and his team are bringing the atmosphere down to Earth in an experiment called Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets (CLOUD). The team fills a custom-built chamber with ultrapure air and chemicals believed to seed clouds: water vapour, sulphur dioxide, ozone and ammonia. They then bombard the chamber with protons from the same accelerator that feeds the Large Hadron Collider, the world’s most powerful particle smasher. As the synthetic cosmic rays stream in, the group carefully samples the artificial atmosphere to see what effect the rays are having.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; algore; catastrophism; climatechange; corruption; democrats; envirofascism; fruad; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; gorebullwarming; obama
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1 posted on 08/31/2011 9:46:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Lancey Howard; ...

fyi


2 posted on 08/31/2011 9:47:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The people who are trying to keep the AGW scam alive are the same kind of people who lost money to those Nigerian bank account scams and keep them alive on the net.


3 posted on 08/31/2011 9:52:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If the Tea Party was a bunch of Islamofascist "rebels", would the state run "media" like us too?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Global crooks are running this scam!
4 posted on 08/31/2011 9:58:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Algore’s head is about to explode.


5 posted on 08/31/2011 10:08:04 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We used to have only correlation (Sallie Baliunas, et al.) but now we have both correlation and causation.

It's cool to be warm.

6 posted on 08/31/2011 10:17:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We had a Freeper who presented himself as an expert and backed AGW, haven't seen him around in many moons.......Can't remember his Freeper name.

Maybe he imploded also :^)

7 posted on 08/31/2011 10:24:32 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
....."experiment called Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets (CLOUD). The team fills a custom-built chamber with ultrapure air and chemicals believed to seed clouds: water vapour, sulphur dioxide, ozone and ammonia..... They then bombard the chamber with protons from the same accelerator that feeds the Large Hadron Collider,...... the world’s most powerful particle smasher. .....As the synthetic cosmic rays stream in, the group carefully samples the artificial atmosphere to see what effect the rays are having.

Would love to hear from some scientist on what exactly in layman's terms this means specifically.

8 posted on 08/31/2011 10:25:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Behold, actual science.


9 posted on 08/31/2011 10:25:39 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I read an interview about four years ago with a European physicist who proposed this then. He was about 80 years old and extremely well-respected.

When he published his theory, the eurinal moonbats went after him with a vengence. They started claiming he was an instrument of the "oil industry" trying to discredit their pet theory. The basis for the charge was that he had once done research for the oil companies - back in 1968 or something!

He laughed at them, because he was old and really didn't give a crap what any of them said. He was a scientist with no political agenda, and was shocked that his theory was so controversial and his motives were being questioned.

I wish I could remember more about him or even the magazine where I read the article. It was a science magazine, like Discover or something.

10 posted on 08/31/2011 10:27:51 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: caww

They made a sealed box containing a replication of the earth’s atmosphere at the levels where clouds form. Then they hit this sample atmosphere with a replica of the sun’s output, then measured what happened. No carbon was involved.

They got measured warming in line with global warming. Ergo, the sun causes global warming, not carbon emissions.


11 posted on 08/31/2011 10:30:10 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: dead

Now that I read the article, it may be Jasper Kirkby who was the subject of the article I read back then.


12 posted on 08/31/2011 10:34:49 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Spktyr

Very interesting indeed. I have read abou the Collider and it can sure make one wonder how far they will get with that. It’s a huge thing!

Unfortunately my brother is the science minded one in our family and he understands it all completely. When we spoke about the Carbon” ordeal he flatly stated carbon is not the issue and the environmentalists would be further ahead just planting trees.....he’s pretty livid about the Carbon Tax issue etc. Says it’s all ridiculous. ..and he did mention the sun at that time and how it works on our plaet...but of course soon went over my ability to grasp.


13 posted on 08/31/2011 10:38:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: dead
It was Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark!

I found a link to the article I read, but you have to subscribe to read the whole thing:

Weather from Outer Space

14 posted on 08/31/2011 10:40:54 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
Now I found the interview, in its entirety:

Discover Interview Sun's Shifts May Cause Global Warming

He's not in his eighties, he's in his fifties, but he doesn't really care if his theory is politically unacceptable. He just cares that it is correct.

15 posted on 08/31/2011 10:45:15 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: caww

This is all you need to know: When temperatures on Earth went up... so did the temperatures on Mars and Venus. Pretty sure there’s no carbon-spewing SUVs on those planets.

The Sun is a giant fusion furnace that heats planets at several-light-hours’ distance. When its output fluctuates, everything in the solar system is affected.


16 posted on 08/31/2011 10:46:21 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I also doubt any of these actual scientists have several mansions and fly in private jets all the time like Al Gore and his fellow AGW believing “scientists” do.


17 posted on 08/31/2011 10:46:48 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If it wasn't for Global Warming or, if you prefer, Climate Change, there'd be no such thing as The Great Lakes, Niagra Falls, Glacier National Park, Yosemite National Park, etc.

All these beautiful works of art were created by advancing and retreating glaciers. Or, in other words, Climate Change.

18 posted on 08/31/2011 10:48:52 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Didn't these Gorebull warming DUmmies ever pass 6th grade science class? We certainly know how they spent their college years....

"SEVEN YEARS OF COLLEGE DOWN THE DRAIN!"

19 posted on 08/31/2011 11:27:15 PM PDT by RasterMaster ("To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I passed this article around of Facebook today, trying to start a war. My conservative associates jumped on merrily. The others ... not so much.

Even among the liberals, a dawning realization is hitting. They're starting to understand that AGW is a faith among them, not a science. They know it's true, but they can't prove it. Doesn't make them any less devout, but it makes them increasingly nervous to try and throw down with the 'science is settled' line like they used to. It's anything but.

The only thing that's for sure is their devotion to the church of Gaia. Which is fine, but they're learning that scaring people with crap research is a losing proselytization technique.

20 posted on 08/31/2011 11:29:39 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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