Since when have the environazis caught up with common sense? My head may explode!
Forest fires ARE “intense forest thinning”.
If EnvironMentalism is a religion, then forest thinning must be weeding out the sinners so everyone involved can be come sanctified by good stewardship!!!
EnvironMentalism is ruining the shakey concept of "separation of church and state" by merging with leftists infatuated with GovernMentalism!!!
Put cattle back in the forest and the problem will take csre of itself. They will keep the underbrush and weeds cleaned up, the Forest Service will make money off of it and the economy will benefit.
The liberal/environazi solution will be for the USFS to hire companies at prohibitive prices to go in there and clear-I know because they already do.
Hey, shovel ready jobs!
Then too the administration can sell the lumber
to china to cover our debt,
the chinese people get chopsticks,
the jobless get hired into a healthy enviroment
Obama gets the credit, everyone’s a winner.
Ilived in Germany in63 as a 6 year old and I recall how immaculate and “clean” their forests were.
Sounds like we are just now figuring it out
Which one of the 8,497 enviroMental organizations are they referring to???
Intense thinning, according to the report, is reducing stands to leave 50 to 100 trees per acre.
Remember folks an acre is not that big, consider
your house lot if it’s even an acre with 50 or
100 trees on it.
I live smack dab in the middle of a national forest. They (forest service) care more about Salmon than people. We have pine beetles bad here. They do nothing about that. Someday this place will burn as well if nothing is done about it.
Time to put trails into these woods...aka...logging roads.
Forest fires kill. No reason folks can't live in a clearing. We need more hermits.
As if the 10 million acres and $100 BILLION that the Healthy Forests Initiative will do a damned thing when faced with 190 million acres at risk oif catastrophic fire.
Consider how hard it has been to get people to the point of even considering that there MIGHT be a problem with government environmental management. Most of them think it can be fixed by changing managers even though they KNOW that it's a university brainwashed civil service bureaucrats in cahootz with crooked judges and an army of equally brainwashed NGO lawyers backed by the richest foundations in the country!
So, what do you think it's going to take to get our unconscious public past the next step? When told how and why it is in reality a structural problem, they start whining in futility because the problem is the system that gave them the goodies they wanted.
Then there's the next step after that one, and it's much harder.
When told what it's going to take to fix it, taking risks, study, hard work, and embracing accountability when faced with hard facts, they recoil in fear. That's just how it is. As I have traveled the country speaking to the people who should be begging to hear what I'm telling them, that they must take the leap to cut the legs out from under the system else they will lose EVERYTHING, it's always been the same.
They want somebody else to take the risk and make it easy for them.
Taking care of nature is hard work. It's expensive, but somebody HAS to do it unless we want watersheds running with mud, houses burning to ashes or falling down hills, and wildlands choked with poisonous weeds. If we want an economy with ANY industry left, if they want jobs at all, SOMEBODY is going to have to produce the raw material upon which industry must run and SOMEBODY must keep those in the resource extraction businesss honest. If we aren't going to have that job done by an unaccountable and out-of-control bureaucracy whose hands are tied by the very lawyers to whom its beholden, then SOMEBODY has to make a profit doing that work.
That's where my system comes in. Unfortunately Dave, I can't even get people pay attention long enough to understand the question, much less get them to master the answers. I'm not giving up, there is a plan I'll be working on this winter, but if I didn't love my land so much, I'd go crazy.
Deja vu all over again.
So, what did I do? Well, not only did I get my environmental management business method patent to give me standing in regulatory cases, ten years of arduous labor has produced the purest restored native plant habitat to be found in perhaps all of North America in order to develop the cred to go with it. I have been asked to publish the results of our project, the methods, and observations in academic journals with which to extend that cred to documented and peer reviewed expertise. It's cost me time and money no one here can appreciate, yet I can't do all this alone. Who is going to help get the word out?
this is a no brainer....the reason that Yellowstone burned so heavily many years ago was that there was tons of underbrush and tree growth because of years of fire supression....
Amazing !! Accounts/diaries of early vistors to western forests -used to dense eatern mixed hardwood forest - were amazed at how “park-like” they were. (Hence “Park” figures in some many name locations they decreed. )
In the circumstances described fire served to clean up dead drop converting its nutrients in to ready fertilizer for new seedlings. Frequent burns meant any fire didn’t grow hot enough to bother healthy trees but killed the diseased.
Now the watermelons are laying claim to “inventing” a conservation method Dame Nature created a million+ years ago. >PS
I dont know...well
If you want to know how to find the BSA of a woodlot you can do this.
Take a dime and hold it about 24 inches from your eye width way. Then count each tree that is as wide or wider than that dime. Times the total by 10 and that gives you the BSA of that area. BSA=Basil Square Feet per Area.
In some regions, the BSA should be 70, in others lower. Like AZ where it should be real low. In some forests (Hardwoods for example), If the BSA is over 70, then you need to cut some out to lower the BSA to about 70.
In the northern Hardwood Forest, depending on the hardwood class, I like to see it at 60 for a class ‘A’ stand-that is a stand with mixed mature/young trees. In a young stand, 70. This is something I have argued about with foresters for years now..especially now since the youngsters think they know it all since they have learned it out of a book.
You need to do several plots around the lot and average it out to find the Average BSA. Take plots on thick areas and plots on thin.
I got 45 years in the business and have worked in AZ for a year near Flag doing those cuts. One was next to the Fairgrounds..Fort, or whatever they called it-I cant remember the name-The Lake Mary Road we did another. Worked up in the Bradshaws near Prescott by the YMCA camp also-the Old Senate road I think they called it.
Some timber types require clear cut- Most Aspen and many softwoods. Oak does best with a darn good cut.
Its all in the experience a person has.
for the first time in decades, environmentalists and government officials agree on a key element of future forest management.
I’ll believe this when hell freezes over.
There is NOTHING worse for the environment, than Environmentalists enforcing their cultist envirodogma on it.
Great!
When do we start?
The Stanislaus NF needs thinning badly, along with some road maintenance to improve access for heavy equipment.