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To: SandRat; Grampa Dave; nunya bidness; forester; SierraWasp
Lemme see... I seem to remember... ah yes, The Healthy Forest Initiative, a government program to THIN forests as an answer to the consequences of government management, that ended up FATtening lawyers instead, as predicted.

To: Grampa Dave; nunya bidness; forester; SierraWasp

If you really want to know, Dave, I find the whole thing very frustrating. I've spent years here on FR as a voice in the wilderness. A very few, such as yourself, paid attention. Then the crisis hits. The same old pundits everybody is used to reading come out of the woodwork, mouthing forestry terms like they know what they are talking about, prodding people to go right back to the very system that made this mess and demand that it fix itself!

As if the 10 million acres and $100 BILLION that the Healthy Forests Initiative will do a damned thing when faced with 190 million acres at risk oif catastrophic fire.

Consider how hard it has been to get people to the point of even considering that there MIGHT be a problem with government environmental management. Most of them think it can be fixed by changing managers even though they KNOW that it's a university brainwashed civil service bureaucrats in cahootz with crooked judges and an army of equally brainwashed NGO lawyers backed by the richest foundations in the country!

So, what do you think it's going to take to get our unconscious public past the next step? When told how and why it is in reality a structural problem, they start whining in futility because the problem is the system that gave them the goodies they wanted.

Then there's the next step after that one, and it's much harder.

When told what it's going to take to fix it, taking risks, study, hard work, and embracing accountability when faced with hard facts, they recoil in fear. That's just how it is. As I have traveled the country speaking to the people who should be begging to hear what I'm telling them, that they must take the leap to cut the legs out from under the system else they will lose EVERYTHING, it's always been the same.

They want somebody else to take the risk and make it easy for them.

Taking care of nature is hard work. It's expensive, but somebody HAS to do it unless we want watersheds running with mud, houses burning to ashes or falling down hills, and wildlands choked with poisonous weeds. If we want an economy with ANY industry left, if they want jobs at all, SOMEBODY is going to have to produce the raw material upon which industry must run and SOMEBODY must keep those in the resource extraction businesss honest. If we aren't going to have that job done by an unaccountable and out-of-control bureaucracy whose hands are tied by the very lawyers to whom its beholden, then SOMEBODY has to make a profit doing that work.

That's where my system comes in. Unfortunately Dave, I can't even get people pay attention long enough to understand the question, much less get them to master the answers. I'm not giving up, there is a plan I'll be working on this winter, but if I didn't love my land so much, I'd go crazy.

28 posted on 10/29/2003 2:10:19 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)

Deja vu all over again.

So, what did I do? Well, not only did I get my environmental management business method patent to give me standing in regulatory cases, ten years of arduous labor has produced the purest restored native plant habitat to be found in perhaps all of North America in order to develop the cred to go with it. I have been asked to publish the results of our project, the methods, and observations in academic journals with which to extend that cred to documented and peer reviewed expertise. It's cost me time and money no one here can appreciate, yet I can't do all this alone. Who is going to help get the word out?

27 posted on 08/29/2011 5:03:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

Forgive me for my ignorance of your work. If I had seen it, I too would have joined your voice.

I live in Foresthill, Ca. surrounded on all sides by forests and on the east side by Tahoe national forest.

Every year we live in fear of forest fires during the summer months.

I’ve seen first hand what the fuelwood projects can accomplish and would love to see our hard working youth(Yes, they do exist)who know how to do the work and need the jobs.


48 posted on 08/29/2011 7:40:04 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: Carry_Okie

>> “the problem is the system that gave them the goodies they wanted.” <<

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Yes, name the issue, and that is always the cause.


54 posted on 08/29/2011 8:06:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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