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1 posted on 08/29/2011 12:04:50 PM PDT by tobyhill
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In the same breathe, he’s saying something has to change...


2 posted on 08/29/2011 12:05:57 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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3 posted on 08/29/2011 12:06:12 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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It may be a ponzi, but until a better solution presents itself....


4 posted on 08/29/2011 12:07:56 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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Yes of course he speaks the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. At the same time he provide plenty of ammo to Plouffe and Axelrod to scare senior citizens.


5 posted on 08/29/2011 12:08:02 PM PDT by Gen. Burkhalter
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Obama 2nd term confirmed.


7 posted on 08/29/2011 12:10:41 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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Sometimes the truth hurts.


10 posted on 08/29/2011 12:11:39 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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According to the 2009 Social Security and Medicare Trustees Report, the unfunded liablilty for Social Security is $17.5 trillion (it’s certainly greater now).

Now once Perry’s critics tell me where they’re going to find that $17.5 trillion, I’ll take their complaints about Perry seriously.


12 posted on 08/29/2011 12:13:13 PM PDT by Stosh
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Ultimately, FDR is the worst president this country has ever had. Even if you add the damage done by all the lousy presidents together, (Carter, Obama, Johnson, et al), you don’t get anything close to the damage FDR wrought - he paved the way for them all. Unfortunately, the American voter rewarded his misrule with 4 terms. I have a feeling that these attacks could ultimately sink Perry, given FDR’s status as some kind of American deity.


19 posted on 08/29/2011 12:16:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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"It is a monstrous lie on this generation, and we can't do that to them," Rut-roh. There went Obama's youth vote!
21 posted on 08/29/2011 12:18:01 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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We can demand the SS is put under lock and key as it was originally until LBJ under his “Great Society” gave it to Congress to spend and Algore voted to tax it. Remove the tax and remove Congress’s ability to spend it.


22 posted on 08/29/2011 12:18:01 PM PDT by yoe
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I find it ironic the corrupt bloated government continues to subsidies millions of illegal aliens on the backs of the tax payers, but tells the tax payers their too broke to pay Americans for what they seized from their pay checks over the course of their work histories.

If the corrupt government is broke, and SS is just a ponzi scheme, how are they possibly able to support half of Mexico who are choking off our hospitals, our welfare, schools, health care, and choking off social services.

Americans are not only being gang raped by this lying government, but their being robbed while being gang raped.

24 posted on 08/29/2011 12:19:32 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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How Three Texas Counties Created Personal Social Security Accounts and Prospered [Page 2]: “Part of the employer contribution in the Alternate Plan goes toward a term life insurance policy, which pays four times the employee’s salary tax free, up to a maximum of $215,000. That’s nearly 850 times Social Security’s death benefit.

More importantly, if a worker participating in Social Security dies before retirement, he loses his contribution (though part of that money might go to surviving children, if any, or a spouse who didn’t work and therefore didn’t establish his or her own benefits). But a worker in the Alternate Plan owns his account, so the entire account belongs to the estate. There is also, among other benefits, a disability benefit that pays immediately upon injury, rather than waiting six months, plus other restrictions, as under Social Security.

And those who retire under the Galveston model do much better than Social Security. For example:……..”

Audio of Perry discussing ethanol and social security at press conference

25 posted on 08/29/2011 12:19:53 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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And therein lies the big question.....

Is he just speaking what we want to hear, or does he mean it (and will he actually do something about it)?


28 posted on 08/29/2011 12:21:42 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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Go back to the beginnings of SS. NO ONE was suppose to collect. Our lifespan was lower than 65 back then.

That makes it worse than a ponzi scheme. It makes it highway robbery.

30 posted on 08/29/2011 12:22:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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I’m not sure why Perry is singling out Social Security and not railing against Medicare/Medicaid. Social Security is fixable, but Medicare and Medicaid will bankrupt the country far faster because there is no way to control costs. Those two are the frauds and the Ponzi schemes.


34 posted on 08/29/2011 12:25:26 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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bump.


35 posted on 08/29/2011 12:26:22 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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Rick Perry continued his attack on Social Securitycalling it a "Ponzi scheme" and a "monstrous lie" to younger Americans who should not expect to get back their contributions upon retirement.

Speaking of monstrous lies.

Did Mr. Perry, tell the younger generation your government and Wall Street were bailed out to the tune of trillions by the tax payers, all while forcing Americans to pay for and subsidize tens of millions for illegal aliens, who work cheap while big biz bankrolls their political campaigns?

37 posted on 08/29/2011 12:26:35 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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I agree with Perry's point 100%, but this was a tactical mistake.

You don't make Social Security a campaign issue. It should be jobs, jobs, jobs.

41 posted on 08/29/2011 12:29:52 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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If Social Security is a Ponzi scheme - and I believe it is a claassic example of such - I have one question. Well, more like three.
What is the almost certain end of a Ponzi scheme? Haven’t we seen Ponzi scheme ultimately collapse of their own weight? Don’t those who run Ponzi schemes end up in jail? Don’t those who bought into the Ponzi scheme end up bankrupt?


51 posted on 08/29/2011 12:32:40 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB61)
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All Perry has to say is the truth:

The Gov’t FORCED us all to invest with a promise of Security.
Now they are making us work longer and talking about means testing.
They lied. Call them on it. Baby Boomers know it is true.


57 posted on 08/29/2011 12:36:57 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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