[TSgt]

Didn't see this coming... /SAR

[dila813]

if anywhere these numbers take this path, the rest will follow suit, they will in order to compete.

[tobyhill]

There's a third option that the MSM never mentions, they just won't hire and then they don't owe healthcare or a fine.

[colorado tanker]

This was Barry’s plan from the beginning. We’ll get single payer, government health care by default.

[redgolum]

It was the plan all along.

Many companies wanted Obamacare. Many want socialized medicine. Why? The cost for the company will be cheaper than having employer funded health care.

[whattajoke]

1. the bill as it is will be amended a great deal with regards to the exchanges.
2. 2014 is a ridiculous implementation date, and everyone knows it. It won’t happen.
3. If/when it does happen to whatever degree, yes, many small employers will stop offering health bens and send their EE’s to exchanges.
4. The exchanges will suck balls, there will be awful servicing of their claims and administration and EE’s will revolt.
5. companies will out-compete their exchange-only competitors by offering medical insurance and it will swing back.

The silver lining in all this is that over the next year or so, the average Joe’s will come to realize that the private insurers aren’t this issue at all (nor brokers, nor lawyers) but the pure and simple cost of healthcare. This bill does not address that at all. All hell will break loose and at some point, the true cost of healthCARE will be addressed and then - only then - will we get a break.

[msrngtp2002]

The cost TODAY will be less than buying insurance. The cost TOMORROW will likely eat up any savings.

Employers will see a dramatic increase in the “fines” and penalties imposed. Somebody has to pay for Obamacare - it isn’t going to be those who are forced to buy insurance with it’s 2000 to 4000 deductible. Who can afford that? On top of the 400 per month deductible you get stuck with a 400 dollar per month premium for a single person.

The logic just escapes me - if someone can’t afford to buy health insurance today what makes lawmakers believe that they can afford to pay a huge deductible? Many will just continue to go to the ER, run up a big bill, and walk away from it.

This obamanation has to go away!

[Buckeye McFrog]

Sarah was Right ping

[TonyInOhio]

I plan on dropping my individual coverage. I'm self-employed.

As an insurance agent.

[CSM]

Unexpectedly, of course...

[longtermmemmory]

this is the ugly secret of obamacare. The businesses have WANTED THIS FROM DAY ONE in order to screw the taxpayer with these bills.

[Paine in the Neck]

ObamaCare was DESIGNED to do this.

[Myrddin]

My wife works as a dispatcher for the city police dept. The first week of August, the employees had an "all hands" meeting. They were informed that their rather nice health insurance with "Tall Tree" was canceled as of August 1st. The reason is that continued coverage for the city employees was going to cost another $800,000 for the period August to December 31st. The city didn't have the money. The replacement plan is "catastrophic" coverage plus an HSA.

My wife called with the news. I discovered that my own coverage ($600/month payroll deduction) with a FlexSpend account made her ineligible for the HSA offered. Further, since her birthday falls in July and mine in August, her coverage had always been "primary". Having "catastrophic" coverage as "primary" is a non-starter. The only reasonable option was for my wife to decline the employer provided coverage. That represents a huge cut in her compensation, but what is offered is completely unacceptable.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. My company does the annual healthcare sign up in November. I'll find out if we're screwed on my coverage too.

[Scotsman will be Free]

The govt wants the fines, etc. Healthcare for all is a smokescreen.