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To: EternalVigilance
Back when slavery was still being practiced in this hemisphere one of the marks of the slave was their inability to enjoy the benefits of the civil marriage contract. The slaveholders resisted any notion of them having access to that, in the knowledge that many of the most important benefits of liberty are associated with it. Inheritance rights. Ownership of real property. Parental rights. And a whole lot more.

What on Earth are you talking about? Obviously, two slaves getting married would not change the fact that they owned nothing, therefore could bequeath nothing, and could take no action (regarding their children or anything else) without the master's approval.

If anybody cared about slaves getting married, it was simply a matter of masters not wanting the annoyance of keeping track of them as a "package deal".

86 posted on 08/22/2011 12:13:03 PM PDT by HerbieHoover
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To: HerbieHoover

Hogwash.

The slaveholders knew very well that the enjoyment of the benefits of the civil marriage contract was the pathway to liberty. Read some history.


91 posted on 08/22/2011 12:19:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (In the long run spritzing perfume on the rotting elephant really won't make that much difference.)
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To: HerbieHoover

He is talking about the significance of marriage in the history of Western Civilization—which is tied to Natural Law Theory and is why the West is so different from the East in philosophy. We based Right Reason according to Nature as the basis of Just Law (Cicero)-and after thousands of years of philosophy and Judaism and particularly Christianity which baptized Aristotle, noted the effect of the family unit as designed by Nature as being the superior method of insuring the natural biological rights of children (The biological parents proven to be the most efficient and successful method of creating a flourishing, happy, emotionally healthy child (Freud). Biological parents are more likely to love a child, nurture them, and care about the type of people they become....which ensures a future of a society and connects children to the history of a culture which instills a “love” for it.

It is no accident the natural family was considered for thousands of years as the building block of civilizations....and it is not an accident that Gramsci and the cultural Marxists decided to destroy America and Western Civilization, with their vulgar rot and promotion and glorification of vulgar entertainment and destruction of the marriage contract in the 60’s. Their targets—Christianity and the natural family.

That is why we see burning and destruction in England after decades of Marxist ideology—the destruction of the intact family—it is why children grow up grounded with no morality—none—they kill, they rape, they steal—why not? Who cares?—Nobody—they have no functional family.—no moral role models—no people who really gave a d8mn about them or bothered to spend time with them and parent them.

Marxism/homosexuality denies Natural Law Theory—the basis of our legal system which has God’s law as our standard of Right and Wrong. We do not base our laws on the standards of urges and ideologies that say there is no God—no right and wrong—and particularly no teleological reasons for human beings.

Social contracts are the reason for government. Marriage between man and woman ensures equality of the sexes and the natural right of children. The only reason our government exists is to ensure our Natural Rights-—not arbitrary, illogical rights made up by politicians, etc. There is a structure that guides our laws—it is the Constitution and Bill of Rights and jurisprudence has invoked the idea of Supra Positive Law numerous times—including in the Civil Rights legislation.

It seems odd that they are now trying to say that God’s laws are not Absolute when it is what we have done for hundreds of years....we are now saying Satan can decide the standards of right and wrong.

They (marxists) are fundamentally transforming the meaning and intent of our Constitution—Natural Rights does not include rights to other people’s property or forcing people to adopt views which deny Natural Laws and remove reason and logic and science from law. Homosexual marriage removes reason, logic, science, God, and Natural Law from our legal system....which is utterly unconstitutional from all standpoints. It can not be Just Law which is unconstitutional. (Locke/Cicero/Aquinas/Blackstone, etc.)


123 posted on 08/22/2011 3:29:12 PM PDT by savagesusie
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