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Judges weaken rules on paedophiles
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 08/21/2011 | David Barrett

Posted on 08/21/2011 10:15:10 AM PDT by massmike

Paedophiles have won unsupervised access to their own children because it would breach their human rights to keep them apart, judges have ruled.

They ruled that the "right to a family life" must be taken into account before the "sexual offences prevention orders", known as SOPOs, are issued.

The ruling, issued after a legal challenge by a group of men convicted of using the internet to view child pornography, significantly weakens the ability of the criminal courts to place restrictions on paedophiles. It means judges cannot impose blanket bans on men and women convicted of child sex offences spending time with their own children because they breach the right to a "family life".

The development comes amid a review by ministers of the way the Human Rights Act has had a "chilling effect" on British law.

The judges said total bans on surfing the internet and coming into contact with teenagers aged between 16 and 18 cannot be imposed after a paedophile has been found guilty.

Last night the ruling was described as "very worrying" by MPs.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: childpornography; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; pedophiles; uk
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To: Lazamataz; Deb

See my comment 56. Laz is completely correct. Our minds are basically sponges/recorders; GIGO is the way it works. Of course each mind (and soul) is unique, but the laws of nature are inexorable. One of these laws is that whatever we focus on with our senses, affects our mind and desires, and whatever thoughts we entertain - the ones we focus our attention on, ask to stick around - lead to action.

Will power won’t work very well if we let our senses and mind focus on stuff that will lead to actions that cause harm, to oneself or others.

Think of someone who needs to lose weight, whose tongue is their downfall and eats not only fattening foods, but too much of them. Is it sane for such a person to collect cookbooks, foodie magazines, pore over them, stroll by restaurants and hang around outside, savoring the aromas, etc? Or to just involve him or herself in activities completely away from the food that so attracts them?


61 posted on 08/25/2011 1:55:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Responsibility2nd

That’s it - in fewer words than it took me to say it.


62 posted on 08/25/2011 1:57:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Can we not talk about food?


63 posted on 08/25/2011 1:59:50 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: EnglishCon
During the riots, people here were telling me to leave the UK. I said no, this is my home.

How are you doing, BTW?

What's been happening lately?

64 posted on 08/25/2011 2:11:36 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Deb

All depends on if someone needs to lose 100 pounds and loves to eat whole cartons of ice cream and bags of donuts!

And some things, like pornography, serve no useful or moral purpose at all; whereas food is obviously a necessity for every human (and every living being) so the analogy is not perfect but no analogy is 100% perfect.


65 posted on 08/25/2011 2:23:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: metmom

Thanks for asking!

Still the odd rumble of discontent, but it seems to have mostly died down. The neighborhood patrols are carrying on, people found that they actually like being good neighbors in a crisis.
Got my workshop up and running again, thanks to my totally awesome staff who tool a week unpaid so we could get the replacement tools and machinery in without waiting for the insurance to pay out. It has put us about a week behind on orders, no more.
My son in law has been stalking around the workshop with welding gear and chunks of angle iron, re-inforcing everything that can be re-inforced, until I swear the place could withstand a bomb blast!


66 posted on 08/25/2011 4:09:12 PM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

Good. I’m glad to hear that you weathered it well and are now better prepared.

It will make it easier for you next time and harder for them.

Are the neighbors willing to talk about and participate in a neighborhood watch group? Getting some sort of informal militia, dare I say, together?


67 posted on 08/25/2011 4:39:32 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Before this, the neighborhood watch was 4 people. It is now 40 and people are actually enthusiastic about looking after their homes.
Being technically an unarmed society, we have worked out a few work arounds for the night patrols - you would be amazed at how many roses in front gardens are now propped up by 4 foot long iron bars, for example, instead of wooden stakes. ;)

We do what we can.


68 posted on 08/25/2011 4:50:35 PM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

Nothing like a crisis to bring folks together.

The thing it, now that the threat has proved real, it will be far easier to organize the next time, because, sad to say, the way I see this world going, there will be a next time.


69 posted on 08/25/2011 4:53:01 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: EnglishCon

The thing IS...... (that is) typo.....


70 posted on 08/25/2011 4:53:47 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Lazamataz; RobRoy; Jean S
The logic behind the "kiddie porn" restrictions is very simple ~ some child had a crime committed against him or her. Else there'd be no such pictures.

Therefore, goes the logic, according to the most ancient and customary of laws the criminals should not benefit from the proceeds of the crime, that is, the sale or use of the pictures.

Using it, reading it, buying it, selling it ~ all contribute to the fact of the original crime against the victim in the pictures.

That is to say, there's a crime and the perpetuation of the crime is part of the crime. And that means there is no difference!

71 posted on 08/26/2011 12:08:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RobRoy
I agree with your sentiment, but I do not believe that is what these people were convicted of. Simply having the pictures on your computer is not the same as buggering children any more than a married man having a subscription to playboy is having an affair.

Crimes really do have varying degrees. And, frankly, we are on such a hair trigger on this stuff, legally, that is is very possible to nail a guy who never, EVER intended to view or store any pictures of naked kids. There have been articles about it posted right here on FR.


I know I get into trouble on some of this stuff too, but we just cannot turn into barbarians and shoot everyone that is suspect here, we have laws and rules to live by and there are people who might unknowingly stumble across stuff like this. Maybe to some here I might lean a little too libertarian and so on but we need to find the truth in all cases and clogging it with rage clouds things up a bit.

I've known of cases where people who might buy a third or fourth hand laptop might discover such media on their computers and most of the time, it is untraceable. If I got a secondhand computer from an unknown source and cannot trace it, it would behoove me to go through the drive and just wipe out the horrible stuff and defrag the drive and wipe it clean.

I just think we need to hold our horses on a lot of these cases to find the real truth. I've personally seen what jumping to conclusions can happen, my best friend almost had it happen to him where his girlfriend at the time wanted to get back at him called the cops on him and said that he was abusing, physically not sexually (but with the hair trigger in today's society, it might as well be one of the same), and he was arrested. It was a false accusation. He spent a night in county lockup. His mother was all bent out of shape. Later on, the girlfriend's father fessed up and told the truth that his daughter falsely accused my buddy and all charged were dropped and he was released. Thank God that fire was put out before it got legs because even if you are innocent and/or judged innocent in a court of law, the stigma still remains.

Yes, we need to protect our kids, but we need to protect the innocent too and go about this under the rule of law, not emotion.
72 posted on 08/26/2011 9:09:22 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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