Dump that guy and hang with me. I only spend 17.75 hours per day on this site. No time for silly Milky Ways or forests on properties. After all, SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET IS WRONG!
Posted on 08/21/2011 10:15:10 AM PDT by massmike
Okay, yes, it’s a moot point. RobRoy is dead.
You screwed up RIGHT HERE.
Your comparison was Drunk Driving / Thinking about Drunk Driving. One's a crime, one's not.
My comparison is Murder / Manslaughter. Both extremely serious crimes, just a tiny bit less so for manslaughter.
Made it totally look like you were defending Child Porn. I bet you didn't intend all that.
Jim, I remember RobRoy for a long time. He's not a bad dude. I think he just made a really big oops. If he had used my analogy instead, he might be here today. If you can find it in your heart, maybe after a few month timeout, let him back in here on a trial basis?
Dump that guy and hang with me. I only spend 17.75 hours per day on this site. No time for silly Milky Ways or forests on properties. After all, SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET IS WRONG!
>>You missed the point. Posessing Pictures and actually doing the deed are two different things. Thinking about driving drunk is not illegal. Driving drunk is.
I understand the biblical concept of looking at a woman with lust in your heart is equivalent to adultery, but we are talking about actual man made laws here. And they are very specific. On purpose.
If all of us were prosecuted for what we THINK, we’d all be in prison for life.<<
RobRoy, I think it is *you* who missed the point. Consider: when Eve bit the apple, did the sin occur with the act or with the thought that preceded the act?
I argue, sir, that the sin occurred first with the thought. Pedophiles do what they do, because they THINK they can get away with it—in spite of society’s attempts to provide severe deterrents.
Man, flawed as he is, does his best nonetheless to institute laws and taboos intended to reflect the morals given in scripture by his Creator.
While I admit this could easily be twisted to appear to support some sort of Orwellian 1984 thoughtcrime schema, I ask you to consider the differences of intent: on one hand, to prevent sexual deviancy, whereas on the other, to control and manipulate masses for ungodly purposes.
I realize you’re banned from posting, but hope you’ll read this and reconsider your position on “it’s only thoughts, they don’t count”
best of luck to you
I missed this one, it’s been busy. Will attend to it today.
RobRoy is wrong. Laz is closer to the point.
Possession of child porn is illegal because child porn is illegal. Rob’s point is that watching a movie of someone committing a crime is not a crime.
True, however, possession of a movie depicting child porn is possession of contraband. Not only is child porn is a crime the depiction of child porn is a crime and the possession of child porn depictions is a crime.
I do not get that robroy was advocating the possession of child porn. If his point was simply that the intent to kill is not as serious as murder I beg to differ.
Possession of child porn puts the owner in league with child pornographers. It is a distinction without a measurable difference.
Sometimes it is just time for a break. Best wishes Robroy. I have enjoyed our occasional reparte.
I really don’t want to get into this but I’ll comment so that it is said once and only once.
Where Rob was going with his thought process was what was said in comment 42. If he had not been revoked, he probably would have used that same analogy.
I guess you could almost look at the part of post 42 that deals with the murder analogy as Rob’s final post, even though it wasn’t his. It matches what he meant. He’s all about what he calls nuances regarding legal stuff.
Beyond that, I really can’t argue or debate for him. We just discussed “post 42” a lot. The two things I kept hearing when it happened, “balls” and “Post 42 nailed it.”
Oh, and this is from me: There was no such thing as “thought” sin in the old testament. Jesus introduced that when he made the “lust in your heart” thing that Rob mentioned. God didn’t tell Adam and Eve what to think about the tree. He told them what to do and not do. Yes, thoughts lead to sin of course, but Eve’s sin was committed when she ate the fruit.
No wonder Rob spent so much time here. This could go on indefinitely.
>>this is from me: There was no such thing as “thought” sin in the old testament. Jesus introduced that when he made the “lust in your heart” thing that Rob mentioned.<<
One may lose their salvation based on wicked thoughts alone... regarding “thoughts” not mentioned as sin in the Old Testament, madam please read Exodus 20:17 (there are others, but this seems most apropos)
One cannot lose their salvation. Either you are saved or you are not. If you can lose your salvation then that means it is up to you to KEEP it. That is not the case. Jesus died so that you might be saved through Him and Him alone. Imagine telling Him that his sacrifice was not enough?
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As Jack Hydrazine notes in his list of links, the UK and EU in general lead the world into the abyss of legalizing pedophilia. Sexual perversions that used to be criminal acts (and should be still) are now undeniably being foisted on us as normal "variants" of human sexuality. They ARE after our children, no doubt about it. When human civilization rejects the moral absolutes on sexual behavior, collapse is inevitable.
What has always concerned me is that if access to these images are removed completely, what will these men do to give outlet to these feelings? So, are these images pressure releases or encouragement?
Our culture has been so degraded, its impossible to avoid being touched by daily perversions and I feel so sorry for good men who have to fight this particular monster in their souls.
Your comment causes me to mention something interesting about Rob. He stopped using hotmail in favor of gmail for one interesting reason. Gmail is text. When he goes to his email he does not have to be baited with photos of, as he puts it, “scantily clad women” every time he checks his email.
You are so right that our culture has been degraded. We stopped watching tv a long time ago and are stunned by what is now considered a-ok for general consumption. The amount of “girl on girl” photos in all aspects of advertising is also appalling.
It is one of the things that motivated our move to farmland area. There is a lot less exposure to popular culture out here. We can get back to living a normal life.
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Funny thing - massmike alerted me to this article a few days ago but it got lost among my other pings. So I meant to ping it out anyway, and then got reminded today by seeing the discussion about RobRoy’s zotting.
If anything, that gives people more food for thought about morality. Obviously child pornography fuels the fire of extremely evil and perverted desires and should indeed be completely illegal, added to the evil is that children are raped and ruined in order to make the pornography.
Thoughts are not crimes and should not be, obviously. But people should be aware of the basic natural law that whatever thoughts we “entertain” will stick around, and feed desires. It’s just the way the mind and desires work. It’s like feeding a fire with fuel. No one is immune, although people react in various ways, since every human being is unique.
And we feed our thoughts with what we see, watch, listen to, read and so on. That’s also a part of natural law. Seeing, watching, hearing, etc all imprint on the mind, that’s why advertising and propaganda work. And why discriminating people discriminate about what they feed into their mind via their senses.
“Sow a thought, reap an action; sow an action, reap a habit; sow a habit, reap a character; sow a character, reap a destiny.”
— Stephen R. Covey (The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People)
Yer asking a serious question, so YOU are about to get a serious answer.
As you can well imagine, I have some passing experience with porn. Oh, I know -- SHOCKING. But I do.
My experience isn't that porn gives an outlet. My experience is that porn FEEDS desires. My experience is, the more I porned about a particular act, the more I wanted it. And, after time, when one act doesn't do it for you, you get a little kinkier, and a little kinkier after that, until all you care to do is lick the underside of every tulip bulb in a given woman's garden.
No, that wasn't a euphamism. I mean, literally lick the underside of every real tulip bulb in a genuine garden.
Well, I know that’s certainly the way it worked in Ted Bundy’s case. I was hoping he was the exception.
Nope. I have spoken with other men about this very issue, too. So it’s more than me and Bundy.
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