The logical content and misconstruals possible in this statement are very interesting and instructive.
First you are making a claim for "this" side of the table, that we on this side do not claim, namely that contraception has somehow ended all resort to the act of abortion. Abortion has a long history as does contraception, both going back to ancient times, and so I would not want to argue which predated which.
The problem on "your" side of the table is the continual resort to this kind of absolute, all or nothing, because at the same time a lot of abortions have not happened because the pregnancy that might give rise to an abortion did not occur because contraception was properly and effectively employed.
Kaila is not "sitting and pretending" anything much. She has narrated the exerience of herself and her relative. We do ourselves no harm to take her experience at face value and argue the ethics from that point.
Let us be clear. Abortion is caused by those who engage in the act of abortion and by no other actor or agent. No one I know has engaged in such acts, and it is wrong of you to indict all for for the acts of the specifically identifiable several.
This all gets back to the point of personal responsibility, a point that your side, in its haste to deride condoms, will not make and stand upon. It is your winning argument, not this condoms cause communism malarky or even the line that condoms are a communist conspiracy.
Abortion IS a form of contraception.
The problem on "your" side of the table is the continual resort to this kind of absolute, all or nothing, because at the same time a lot of abortions have not happened because the pregnancy that might give rise to an abortion did not occur because contraception was properly and effectively employed.
Yes, for the pro-life "side" (which I notice you exclude yourself from), it IS all or nothing. 53 MILLION babies have died and we want it to end.
Kaila is not "sitting and pretending" anything much. She has narrated the exerience of herself and her relative. We do ourselves no harm to take her experience at face value and argue the ethics from that point.
Kaila has a long history of opposing the pro-life movement. I don't give a damn what she thinks.
Let us be clear. Abortion is caused by those who engage in the act of abortion and by no other actor or agent.
So, your contention is that it hasn't been pushed on society at all?
This all gets back to the point of personal responsibility, a point that your side, in its haste to deride condoms, will not make and stand upon. It is your winning argument, not this condoms cause communism malarky or even the line that condoms are a communist conspiracy.
NOBODY on this thread has suggested banning condoms or the Pill. This thread is about the FACT that contraception has not prevented 4000 babies a day from being killed. THAT is the topic of this thread, a topic which you are unwilling to discuss. YOU have bought into the lie that condoms prevent abortion, it is brought to you by the same people who came up with the lie that welfare ended poverty.
This is a pro-life forum, if your answer to ending abortions is more condoms and birth control pills you are very much mistaken.