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To: americanophile
I didn't compare them to Madison, and you know it. I provided historical examples of the protection of American citizens abroad in response to your question

That is incorrect, you're use of the people you did was intentional and was nonsense.

The truth of the matter is, you are all too happy to have two of your fellow citizens imprisoned and brutalized for five years on phony espionage charges in a criminal regime because you don't agree with the views they hold according to their First Amendment rights. That's sad.

Actually I am entirely ambivalent about it. They aren't fellow citizens, its well known they are communists and hate the America I love. They seek to "change" our system. They further compounded their beliefs by going where they did. I have no idea if they were spying or what.

All your fancy quotes doesn't change your pure hypocritical nonsense.

184 posted on 08/22/2011 5:17:37 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Well said!

Have you ever seen this poster get in such a snit over U.S. citizens being robbed, raped and brutilized within the border of their own country?


185 posted on 08/22/2011 5:24:03 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!!)
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To: driftdiver
"That is incorrect, you're use of the people you did was intentional and was nonsense."

What?? Flat wrong, and demonstrably so. I didn't compare them to Madison, I provided you examples of American leadership who have taken steps to protect the rights of Americans to travel freely abroad in response to your "Says who" question. The distinction is confusing to you?

"Actually I am entirely ambivalent about it."

Your comments, including, “These ‘young kids’ made their bed and now they can sleep in it,” suggests otherwise; it suggests some enthusiasm, as does your continued arguing about it.

"They aren't fellow citizens,"

So in addition to happily consigning them to prison on trumped up charges, you've also unilaterally strippd them of their citizenship...wow.

"...its well known they are communists"

Please provide an unimpeachable source for this.

"...and hate the America I love."

Would the America you love be the one that happily allows its citizens to be incarcerated on bogus multi-year espionage charges? To be beaten and mistreated while in prison? The one that effectively strips citizens of their human rights because you don't agree with their political views?

"They seek to "change" our system. They further compounded their beliefs by going where they did."

Huh? Not that the sentence makes much sense, but is their some relationship between communist orthodoxy and Iraqi-Kurdistan that has been lost to history?

"I have no idea if they were spying or what."

But you're 100% certain that they are communists, America haters, etc? Why the uncertainty about whether they were secretly American spies, and if so, why so happy to assume that they made their bed and have to lie in it? Wouldn't your admitted uncertainty about their guilt give you some pause about the justness of their detention? Incedentially, do you think America-hating communists is usually the domestic personel pool from which the CIA recruits officers to send to Islamic countries? If they were America-hating commies, attempting to undermine our system, isn't more likely that Iran would approve of them, not imprison them? This is just pathetic.

"All your fancy quotes doesn't change your pure hypocritical nonsense."

Fancy quotes, lol. There's lots of 'fancy quotes' that describe, delimit and protect the fundamental nature and individual rights of the America you claim to love - you should really look into them. As for "hypocritical nonsense," did you just throw that phrase in for fun? It doesn't logically refer to anything we've discussed.

188 posted on 08/22/2011 6:34:16 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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