It would be nice if StarTrek transporter real to transport all the homosexual activists in San Francisco to Iran...
Posted on 08/20/2011 6:35:28 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper
That was my thought. With the back country above Yosemite and the Sierras close by, and Kings Canyon, and the hiking country in the Olympic Peninsula just a whole lot more accessible ..... those guys had to go there and find whatever it was.
If they were CIA or Special Forces, they wouldn't have been caught.
I agree with the other poster, it sounds like a political gesture that they're now wearing all over their faces. Screw 'em.
Whatever you think of the criminal regime, it has the right and power to police its borders by its own lights. The hikers disrespected that power and now they're paying. And we're supposed to get all jingo-y about these morons?
That is incorrect, you're use of the people you did was intentional and was nonsense.
The truth of the matter is, you are all too happy to have two of your fellow citizens imprisoned and brutalized for five years on phony espionage charges in a criminal regime because you don't agree with the views they hold according to their First Amendment rights. That's sad.
Actually I am entirely ambivalent about it. They aren't fellow citizens, its well known they are communists and hate the America I love. They seek to "change" our system. They further compounded their beliefs by going where they did. I have no idea if they were spying or what.
All your fancy quotes doesn't change your pure hypocritical nonsense.
Well said!
Have you ever seen this poster get in such a snit over U.S. citizens being robbed, raped and brutilized within the border of their own country?
I don’t understand how its an American right to go anywhere in the world without thinking about personal security or safety. Its not even a right in America.
What?? Flat wrong, and demonstrably so. I didn't compare them to Madison, I provided you examples of American leadership who have taken steps to protect the rights of Americans to travel freely abroad in response to your "Says who" question. The distinction is confusing to you?
"Actually I am entirely ambivalent about it."
Your comments, including, “These ‘young kids’ made their bed and now they can sleep in it,” suggests otherwise; it suggests some enthusiasm, as does your continued arguing about it.
"They aren't fellow citizens,"
So in addition to happily consigning them to prison on trumped up charges, you've also unilaterally strippd them of their citizenship...wow.
"...its well known they are communists"
Please provide an unimpeachable source for this.
"...and hate the America I love."
Would the America you love be the one that happily allows its citizens to be incarcerated on bogus multi-year espionage charges? To be beaten and mistreated while in prison? The one that effectively strips citizens of their human rights because you don't agree with their political views?
"They seek to "change" our system. They further compounded their beliefs by going where they did."
Huh? Not that the sentence makes much sense, but is their some relationship between communist orthodoxy and Iraqi-Kurdistan that has been lost to history?
"I have no idea if they were spying or what."
But you're 100% certain that they are communists, America haters, etc? Why the uncertainty about whether they were secretly American spies, and if so, why so happy to assume that they made their bed and have to lie in it? Wouldn't your admitted uncertainty about their guilt give you some pause about the justness of their detention? Incedentially, do you think America-hating communists is usually the domestic personel pool from which the CIA recruits officers to send to Islamic countries? If they were America-hating commies, attempting to undermine our system, isn't more likely that Iran would approve of them, not imprison them? This is just pathetic.
"All your fancy quotes doesn't change your pure hypocritical nonsense."
Fancy quotes, lol. There's lots of 'fancy quotes' that describe, delimit and protect the fundamental nature and individual rights of the America you claim to love - you should really look into them. As for "hypocritical nonsense," did you just throw that phrase in for fun? It doesn't logically refer to anything we've discussed.
And whatever you think of the hikers, they are American citizens with natural human rights. Does the right of Iran to police it's borders, in your estimation, extend to coming across the Iraqi border and abducting people and incarcerating them on false charges, which is the orginal allegation made by the hikers?
"The hikers disrespected that power and now they're paying."
Why so eager to believe Iran? Do you belive them on anything else?
"And we're supposed to get all jingo-y about these morons?
Perhaps we could just limit the alternating levels of delight and indifference on this thread.
Its fun watching you try to wiggle your way out of the hole you’ve dug.
Ahahahaha! Pathetic.
That pretty much nails it.
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