Posted on 08/19/2011 5:24:40 PM PDT by Mozilla
I just read a very bizarre blog post about entrenched incumbent Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch by Fox News anchor Greta van Susteren and then watched an equally distressing interview van Susteren conducted last night with Sarah Palin regarding Hatch.
First, the title of van Susteren’s blog post: “Is someone trying to manipulate the UTAH Tea Party vote unfairly away from Senator Orrin Hatch?”
Van Susteren absurdly suggests that dark, sinister, unnamed, and uninformed forces in Utah with outside backing are somehow trying to take away Hatch’s seat through nefarious means. She’s clearly talking about D.C.-based fiscal conservative groups like FreedomWorks and Club for Growth that support possible GOP primary challenger and current Rep. Jason Chaffetz (whom I also support). But she won’t come out and just name these groups. What gives?
Moreover, she fails to explain how it’s bad for a few Beltway-based groups to “manipulate” the race by encouraging primary challengers, but it’s fine for Beltway-based van Sustern to influence readers with her ill-informed dissection of the race and her promotion of Hatch’s purported Tea Party bona fides.
Hatch’s people have lined up big national guns from outside Utah to help him hold on to his power and perks. It seems clear to me Hatch is calling in every last chit he has amassed over four decades in the Beltway. It’s the only rational explanation for the beyond-laughable promotion of Hatch as a — gag — “Tea Party visionary.”
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Utah voters themselves sent a clear, potent message that entrenched incumbency is no argument for more entrenched incumbency last May when they booted Hatch’s Senate big government Republican colleague Bob Bennett from office in the primary. Were they “manipulated,” too?
Van Susteren’s sloppy blog post (which doesn’t include a single hyperlink) provides erroneous facts about the Tea Party movement, erroneous characterizations of the core Tea Party agenda, and erroneous analysis of Hatch’s fiscal record after three decades in office. After insinuating that unprincipled motives are fueling those who oppose Hatch, she wraps up with a rather specious conclusion that based on Hatch’s creaky old support for the balanced budget amendment, she “would think that fact alone would make him the champion (the visionary?) of the Utah Tea Party.”
She ends with a question: “Am I wrong?”
Flabbergastingly so.
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Orrin Hatch is the antithesis of the Tea Party spirit. He is a mascot for big-spending Beltway entrenched incumbency who has consistently joined hands with destructive Democrats.
He slobbered over corruptocrat Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd.
He co-sponsored the $6 billion national service boondoggle and dedicated it to his good friend Teddy Kennedy, with whom he also joined hands to create the ever-expanding SCHIP entitlement.
He supported tax cheat Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner from day one, lavished praise on Joe Biden’s balls, and embraced and defended Attorney General Eric Holder’s nomination because, he said, “I like Barack Obama and I want to help him if I can.”
He was an original sponsor of the open-borders DREAM Act illegal alien student bailout and voted for the massive TARP bailout.
And there’s much, much more from his support for Fannie/Freddie bailouts to farm subsidies and beyond.
Most importantly: How do Utah Tea Party people feel about Tea Party pretender Orrin Hatch?
The same way they feel about his former big-spending entrenched incumbent in Utah — former Sen. Bob Bennett…
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And yet on her TV show interview with Sarah Palin Thursday night, van Susteren accused Tea Party folks of factual omissions.
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She then went on to minimize opposition to Hatch as “small” and criticized Hatch’s critics as “disruptive.” Van Susteren looked perplexed and irked that Tea Party people would want to turn out an elected incumbent in the Republican Party.
Hello? From day one, the nascent Tea Party movement has always been about holding both parties accountable for their records. “Disruption” of Washington business as usual is the entire raison d’etre of the grass-roots revolts and out-of-control taxing and spending. Token support for a balanced budget amendment means nothing if the BBA sponsor has spent nearly 40 years — as Hatch has — rubber-stamping expansion after expansion of the welfare and entitlement state, then hooking up with corruptocrat Dems like Chris Dodd and Teddy Kennedy to preserve and protect pet boondoggles.
Most devastating of all, Palin offered ZERO rebuttal of van Susteren’s nonsense and agreed that Tea Party folks should “work with” Hatch instead of “shoving him out.”
VAN SUSTEREN: You know, I see a lot of good, hard-working Americans who are in the Tea Party movement. And then, you know, from time to time, I see things like — you know, today — today, I wrote on Gretawire a blog about what’s going on within the Tea Party movement to Senator Orrin Hatch. I mean, he’s getting attacking by a small portion of the Tea Party movement for not being Tea Party-ish enough, and it’s — and it fundamentally goes around the balanced budget amendment, which is so — which is the mantra of the Tea Party movement.
But if you do a little research, Senator Orrin Hatch going back to 1979 in the U.S. Senate was pushing the Tea Party — a balanced budget amendment. Yet some of these people in the Tea Party movement won’t recognize it. They won’t look at the facts and they go after him. So it’s, like, even within the Tea Party movement, there is — you know, there’s a disregard for the facts and an effort to be sort of disruptive even within the — within the group.
PALIN: Well, and you’ll find that within any venue, within any group, Greta, especially when it involves politics. But to your particular point about Senator Orrin Hatch — he is doing good in terms of trying to get a balanced budget and he has been for the last couple of decades. And he’s pushed hard for some fiscal reforms that we have got to see implemented, otherwise, you know, crony capitalism is going to continue coming out of Washington, D.C., and we’re going to continue on the wrong path and we will be bankrupt.
So people like Orrin Hatch, who now especially — he’s rising up with quite aggressive talk about the balanced budget amendment and other things that he has seen for all these years need to be done. We need to be agreeing and embracing his idea and working with him to make sure that that happens, instead of shooing him away and shooing him out of a Tea Party movement, if you will, when he agrees with such a basic fundamental principle that we must see implemented, and that’s just simply balancing the doggone federal budget!
Is this the same Palin who just a few weeks ago boldly (and rightly) wrote: “Everyone I talk to still believes in contested primaries.”
First, I dont consider someone a conservative by who they have endorsed or what administration they worked in. I consider them politicians. Jim Webb worked in Reagan’s administration, so it doesnt really mean much. It is a way to get knowledge of the system as well as brand power. That line of questioning is why we dont have two Republican Senators in Pennsylvania. Because a bunch of short sighted crybabies were mad at an endorsement.
As to whether Hatch or Chaffetz is more conservative, that is all subjective. They are both conservative enough for me. Hatch has made some mistakes over a much longer period of time, and Im sure that anyone with that long of service will have a few “Ay dios mio, el cabron no es un conservador, el es un comunista” moments where single issue voters will swear him off forever. But, he has been good on the majority of issues, great with judges, and has the gravitas in the Senate that helps him get legislation passed. I do think we need a few veterans that know the system for strategic purposes. I also like Chaffetz, mainly for his vote on the debt issue. I think he has a chance at House leadership in the future and would welcome it. The only thing I fear would be Chaffetz knocking out Hatch, and some of the 80%’s giving up on Republicans because they consider them to be “extreme.” There is room for both of them in Utah.
I'm amazed by the sara-botsshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
They see her as a messiah
We know she is just a frail human
sinner in a suit of flesh.ABO
Everyone need to find security someplace.
Orrin’s the only one with the right connections to the Church to turn off the Romney spigot. One more reason that Politics and making sausage have so much in common.
YHvH !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
“We know she is just a frail human
sinner in a suit of flesh.”
I’m sure she would agree with this assessment as do I.WE all fall short.Supporting a formidable candidate does not necessarily make one a “bot”
Neither does she come across to me as a self absorbed know it all like some here.Just a frail human sinner like us all.
Your attacks against her and those of us who support her borders on the creepy.No facts just unsubstantiated charges.
Amen! the only one to trust
It is a free country, I guess.
There have been no attacks. Seek YHvH for His salvation in His WORD. There are no attacks.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
What does she have to do before you’d dump her? What has she done so that you sick with her?
Bildaburger.
Is that like Fuddruckers?
Same concept, but you only get the impression of choosing your condiments, because you actually get a microchip inserted when you walk in the door.
On comment #4 you said the following.......
“Sooner or later people will realize that Palin
is bought and paid for by inside the beltway money.”
Now I know you have no facts to back up this attack on Gov. Palin, so by all means please explain what your thinking is behind this attack.Maybe there are other freepers here who would like to see you put your stupidity on display.
Nice try.You took what I said out of context.As you well know this is what I said.....
“Your attacks against her and those of us who support her borders on the creepy”
Are you sure you’re not a liberal? That’s what they do when they have no facts.
I could not resist :)
The problem is not a left right issue for any of us it is an Up down issue. I used to be conservative now I am apolitical.
Not unlike the loons of the left. The attacks only exist in the minds of sara-bots.
Another thought on you taking what I said out of context.By doing so,your aim is to deceive.we all know who the chief deceiver is don’t we? I would think that a so called Christian would avoid that practice at all cost.
Great question.
I don’t know a certain, definitive answer to it.
imho . . .
Those who trace the origins to the powerful money holding elites of Rome may be more right than wrong.
Certainly the money holding royalty etc. of Europe and the USA . . . some would say particularly Britain . . . have played and do play very key roles in such power groups and structures.
I do NOT think that the American system has per se become responsible for the tyrannical Marxist global government
in terms of
design etc.
Indirectly, in terms of empowering the wealthy to become even more wealthy and spread that wealth more easily into a multiplicity of power grabs with very attached puppet strings all around the world . . . the American system has likely made that easier.
However, Scripture is clear . . . satan has been working on the final play with all its acts and scenes for millenia. It is his swan song for a long time. And he wants it to be as destructive and tyrannical as possible. He would have achieved such goals to the limits God set for him—regardless of whether America existed or not.
The great success of the American system in terms of making
THINGS the idols of the masses
has probably swelled his head and thrilled his evil no end.
NEVERTHELESS, GOD HAS USED the American system in behalf of Israel and THE GOSPEL extremely powerfully.
In the end, that side of the balance sheet will show the weightier influence and satan’s horrors will be dust-motes in the eyes of history.
SOMETIMES, Conservative Americans need to remind themselves . . .
The American Republic and way of life is NOT God.
GOD ALONE IS GOD. AND HE IS A JEALOUS GOD. HE WILL HAVE *NO* OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM.
TRUE PATRIOTISM IS PUTTING GOD FIRST.
GOD ALONE CAN PRESERVE US AS INDIVIDUALS AND AS A NATION.
And at this point, it looks like God has a LOT of housecleaning to do in our beloved land before we can begin to be fit for THE MASTER—OUR LORD JESUS, THE CHRIST.
You just can’t admit being wrong can you? My parents taught me that a true measure of a man and a Christian was if you are wrong,Admit it.It’s apparent you were not as fortunate as I.
At the National level . . . ?
I don’t think so—certainly not short of some very big miracles of God.
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