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To: discostu
Most countries where people get to vote the turn out is over 90%. America’s turn out is pathetic, has been for a long time and continues to be.

Most countries don't haved 90% turnout rates. Some countries like Australia, Belgium, and Greece have compulsory voting and fine you if you fail to vote. And exactly what would you do to increase voter turnout?

And remember our “60%” number is based on registered voters, not over 18 and not felons (the real eligible voter count). It’s our only real national embarrassment.

You are wrong. The turnout for registered voters in 2008 was 74.4%.In 2004 it was 72.2%.

Obama is an idiot. At this point I’m not even sure he has an agenda. Mostly he just shows up.

You can labor under that illusion. Obama's Marxist philosophy governs his actions and his appointments. He is a true believer, not a bystander.

I never said politics of personal destruction was new, I said it took over with Kennedy, that’s when the 2 step process was identified, and that’s when they figured out that if you bled enough voters from the other side you didn’t actually need to get people to vote for you. That’s what put us on the path of considering 60% (really under 50%) voter turn out to be good. That was a major sea change in how destructive politics works. It re-invented the game, and is documented as such in most books on the history of American politics.

Nonsense.

That’s a good Reagan quote, what I especially like about it is that it shows why you’re wrong. “Obama’s grade were bad” is not a fundamental belief, it is not a principle, it is not a basis of conservatism. It’s just mud to fling, 30 year old mud at that, almost the exact same mud Kerry threw at Bush in 2004. Swift boaters helped Bush to be sure, but even before they showed up Kerry’s numbers were mediocre at best, those are the real facts.

You keep bringing up the grades business. You still don't get it, but why am I not surprised. Kerry would have won if it hadn't been for the SBVFT who froze the Kerry campaign likr s deer in the headlights for over three weeks. Bush only won with 50.7% to 48.3%. The race was a virtual toss-up all the way thru. Here in VA Kerry won Fairfax County, the first time that had been done by a Dem in 40 years. It went overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008 giving VA to Obama.

The 2010 Tea Party campaigned on ideas and plans, not on Obama’s college transcripts. Another campaign like that would be great. Actually it’s exactly what I’m saying we need.

Obama wasn't running in 2010. And yes, we are planning a similar campaign this year in VA when the entire General Assembly is up for reelection. It will be a good indicator as where we stand in 2012. However, this time the Dems are energized and well-funded. It is going to be a real battle to see if we can flip the State Senate from Dem to Rep. VA is now a purple state thanks to demographic changes. North Carolina is also changing thanks to immigration.

CA is the way it is because all the politicians do is yell and scream and insult. They’re so busy flinging mud nobody has actually tried to fix the state since Reagan stopped being governor. They spend a lot of time blaming each other, no time fixing it. They’re like a bad company.

CA has changed due to demographics. Minorities and immigrants vote Dem. Non-Hispanic whites are less than 50% of the population and declining rapidly. With the next redistricting, I think the CA Rep numbers in Congress will go down significantly. If you look at the Congressional races in 2004 and 2008 in CA, you will see that the Dem districts are becoming less and less competitive while the Rep districts are becoming more competitive. It is just a matter of time before CA becomes the bluest of blue states. It is the canary in the coal mine. CA is gone.

It was a typo, just look at the rest of that post and previous posts. I learned to touch type 30 years ago, I don’t really supervise the fingers anymore, don’t really look at the output. Sometimes the fingers decide they’re going to put the wrong their there, which, according to the dictionary (an error in printed or typewritten matter resulting from striking the improper key of a keyboard) is a typo.

Just admit that you didn't know the difference between "they're" and "their," and let it go at that. It is hard to take someone serious who makes a mistake like that, something a third grader wouldn't do--at least when I was growing up in the 40s and 50s. Our education system is abysmal. You are just a product of it.

267 posted on 08/21/2011 2:30:51 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

The way to increase voter turn out is to stop trying to make politics horrible. It’s all mud and vile these days and the people are growing sick of it. Plenty of places where it’s not compulsive have great voter turn out, Malta, Austria, Italy can all score 90% on midterms. We have a political process in this country that the people don’t want to participate in.

Somebody in the Obama White House has an agenda. I’m just not sure it’s him, not anymore, reality seems to confuse him fine.

There’s no nonsense about it. That’s the stone cold truth. Sorry it inconveniences you, but when you find the truth inconvenient that’s not my problem.

I bring up the grades business because that’s what this conversation is about: an addiction to stupid “issues” that don’t matter, like the “missing girlfriends” of the original article and college transcripts YOU brought up. Kerry froze his own campaign. All Kerry ever had was complaints about Bush then he lived up to them all. He complained about Bush’s vacations, then took 3 during the campaign; he complained about Bush foreign policy, and never showed up to foreign policy committee meetings; he complained about Bush not having enough press conferences, and didn’t have another after the first weekend in September. Kerry ran a terrible campaign, the only reason it ever was close is because Bush sucked at getting his message to the people for his whole presidency. SBVFT did a good job of countering Kerry’s only good ad, but they’re not even close to the only reason Kerry lost. The primary reason he lost is he sucked and his talking points were worse.

Mid-terms are all about the executive, have been for years. The party that owns the White House is trying to get their president “help”, the part that doesn’t is trying to cut him off at the knees. Obama was running in 10 the same way Bush was in 02 and 06.

CA didn’t really change. That’s why Brown’s back. They’re just further down the same road they’ve been on for a long time.

I can point to 30 times in this thread I got the there/eir/ey’res right. You’re obsessing on once I blew. Get over it, and yourself.


268 posted on 08/21/2011 3:11:18 PM PDT by discostu (keep on keeping on)
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