Confused and self-contradicting disruptor troll finds itself with unspecified pain from its sizzling ride to Elenin
It's a conspiracy and we're all gonna die. No, wait... I didn't say that
Posted on 08/19/2011 12:08:27 PM PDT by mnehring
(...big sigh...) Friend, that's as big a stretch in imagination as I've ever seen posted here. Seriously -- take a walk. Get out and mingle with the real world. It'll do you good.
Over and out.
And the same guy has a broad-based FAQ on Elenin: Comet Elenin: the FAQ for the worried.
The REASON I am intrigued by Mensur’s paper is that THE COMET SHOULD NOT BE IN IT!
This Astroblog guy has more credentials than a Physicist from the European Royal Society? The Astroblog debunker assumes that the only factor here is a comet in the alignments described, which does make the paper nonsense, I agree. So, if we assume that there is ONLY a comet at the locations of Elenin, then Astroblog is right and the paper is junk.
Mensur Omerbashich leaves out any statements about the Comet Elenin’s mass, or why it is incredulous that it is in his paper.
If there is JUST a comet, the mass is like a feather compared to anything else in the paper. And is also much less than the asteroid NEOs that the biologist lists as conspicuously missing.
I feel that the asteroids are missing from the paper for the same reason that the comet SHOULD be missing. They are not massive enough to matter.
Here is the big question.
Why is the comet in Mensur’s paper?
What isn’t said, is WHY the alignments of Elenin appear to have a coincidence with the large earthquakes, just as other massive planetary alignments do?
The implication is that the comet isn’t a comet, but something else more massive. They have shown pictures of it, so I believe there is a comet there.
Could there be something else, of large mass involved with the trajectory of the comet? This is unknown to us.
The comet doesn’t belong in Mensur’s paper, so WHY does Cornell University allow him to continue with updating it, and hosting it for him? They, even more than the biologist in Australia, should be laughing him right off their website, shouldn’t they?
Why did NASA redirect the STEREO B spacecraft to look at the comet? Did they take any OTHER pictures they did NOT publish? Could those pictures have been of a massive object somewhere else?
I don’t know, and I bet neither do all the raving lunatics on this forum.
If someone does know about some massive object which could explain WHY the comet is in Mensur’s paper, and they are just shouting me down, I guess I understand. We wouldn’t want to panic people. That could make it difficult to make orderly preparations, right?
They don't. That is the rebuttal that guy made. And it flew right over your head.
If someone does know about some massive object which could explain WHY the comet is in Mensur’s paper, and they are just shouting me down, I guess I understand. We wouldn’t want to panic people. That could make it difficult to make orderly preparations, right?
So at the end of the day, you are just another internet conspiracy loon.
I saw that dude in your posted picture on TV last night. Looks like his hair got a “blow dry” from standing behind an F-18.
Oh, and we are not ‘shouting you down’ because of some conspiracy. We are simply pointing out that you are an idiot.
Did your physics education cover the fallacy of asking someone to prove a negative?
The more I read this post, the bigger the idiot you become. Do you REALLY think a planet-sized object could have entered the inner solar system with NO ONE NOTICING changes to the orbits of the other planets? That is how they discovered Neptune - Uranus had some oddities in its orbit and calculations led an observer directly to where Neptune was calculated to be.
Now tell us how EVERY space agency, EVERY college and EVERY amateur astronomer has failed to notice shifts in the orbits of the inner planets.
This should be good. Must be some all-powerful outfit to be able to shut down all such information - except for internet claims with no data to back up such.
Blues, how about if we have a little wager. IF absolutely nothing spectacular happens and there is no ‘conspiracy’; Elenin is just another comet- you drop off the internet forever. IF, however, there was a big conspiracy and the comet is actually a dwarf star, planet or something else and the world is destroyed, I’ll drop of the internet forever.
Because you gave us a date, let’s say 09/11 is the date to measure this by?
I said that is WHY the paper intrigued me.
And you think it flew over my head?
I am just asking questions, BECAUSE this doesn’t make sense.
There has to be an explanation for the comet in his paper, why NASA redirected a very expensive spacescraft, why Cornell and other universities allow Mensur’s paper to remain on their website, and why the comet discovery story is so strange (the name thing and all).
Think about this.
When we ask about the ATF scandal and how the Obama administration may have been attempting to create a crisis as an excuse to deprive us of our 2nd amendment rights, are we then “internet conspiracy loons”. hmmm?
DO NOT accuse me of being a troll, as I also believe that the Whitehouse was up to something nasty with the ATF scandal, and I am a very strong believer in our founding principles and our God-given rights.
I guess you can ONLY be a CONSPIRACY LOON, if the SUBJECT is ASTRONOMY! (reference “that spells M-O-O-N”, etc) ... not if it is POLITICS, though?
But of course, there can NEVER be any kind of conspiracy, ever. Certainly not with SCIENCE.
Oh wait, what about the GLOBAL WARMING crap and Lord Monckton’s “Caught Green-handed” paper? Is he an “internet conspiracy loon”? Is Al Gore right?
Nothing to see here, on this thread, except people abusing other people.
I did not give a date.
I listed the original Perihelion date for the comet.
I did not predict anything at all.
I just am asking questions, and doubting the discovery story.
Comet C/2010 X1 Elenin failed to disturb the orbit of a tiny asteroid after passing only .002 AU away from it.
And somehow some morons expect it to cause earthquakes here on Earth?
I still like the people who claim that something is steering the comet.
They make me laugh.
Or the people who look at the picture of V838 Monocerotis and claim that it is ‘Nibiru’.
To believe what they do, they have to believe that thousands of amateur astronomers are silenced, bought, or in on the conspiracy.
They also have to believe that every government worldwide is in on it.
Yes Blue, look it up, Elenin failed to disrupt the orbit of an asteroid...
By the way Blue, the asteroid that Elenin failed to disturb was 74732 (1999 RQ176) from a distance of .002 AU, alot closer in distance than it will get to us.
IF the comet could disrupt stuff as you are claiming, the asteroid would have been detectably disrupted.
It is truly pathetic that you wrap yourself in the ATF scandal to somehow sanitize your loon Elenin nonsense. The ATF scandal has clear documentation. Your Elenin stuff does not.
I never said the COMET was massive.
Wouldn’t expect it to disturb anything.
Just asking questions.
YOU are all assuming I think it (the comet) is massive.
“Wrap myself in the ATF scandal”...
That is rich... I just was explaining that certain types of conspiracies are ridiculed, and others are not.
I just don’t believe the discovery story, think the Physics paper is troubling (the Comet shouldn’t be in it), and asked why NASA pointed STEREO B at such an insignificant comet.
I NEVER predicted anything, claimed the comet is massive, or that there is any date for disaster.
That is all.
Please stop putting words in my mouth, which you read somewhere else, but I did NOT say.
Thanks.
You never said the comet was massive?
You: “What isn’t said, is WHY the alignments of Elenin appear to have a coincidence with the large earthquakes, just as other massive planetary alignments do?”
You’re sure saying SOMETHING is massive. Now are you saying it’s Nibiru, or a UFO, or what?
Rode that comet to an untimely death! :)
That treatment is beneath Freepers.
If they don't agree with you they could simply leave the thread, not act like bullies. I understand your point about the name coincidence and some of your other points but I'd have to do a lot of research to determine if your points have merit.
The other freepers that have actually tried to make a serious rebuttal to your points make sense, too, but making sense doesn't mean indisputably right, just that it makes sense.
Btw, #130, is a pretty darn good argument!
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