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To: numberonepal

Will you all not be happy til all ‘workers’ earn a buck an hour?

This is a race to the bottom, third world status.

You people are clueless.


15 posted on 08/18/2011 2:30:40 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Java4Jay
Will you all not be happy til all ‘workers’ earn a buck an hour?

Well, that's a buck more than these folks will be making now.

16 posted on 08/18/2011 2:32:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Java4Jay
You people are clueless

The auto makers are still paying thousands of workers to sit in "rubber rooms", some of them making more than $100,000, to do nothing. The UAW takes a chunk of their "money for nothing", and spends it to elect Democrats.

Who is clueless, here?

21 posted on 08/18/2011 2:35:56 PM PDT by TonyInOhio ( Resist we much!)
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To: Java4Jay

Tell your Democrat friends to STOP OUTFORCING AMERICA’S JOBS then....

This isn’t rocket science...


27 posted on 08/18/2011 2:38:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (PREFRONTAL LOBOTOMISTS FOR OBAMA2012!)
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To: Java4Jay
Will you all not be happy til all ‘workers’ earn a buck an hour?

Why the scare quotes around 'workers'? Would you rather they be referred to as "the proletariat"?

Management and ownership are 'workers', too. They invest their time, energy and money in the business, as well. They don't owe the 'workers' any more than they can afford.

Personally, I'll be happy when all well-run companies make a profit and their 'workers' are paid appropriate to their services. Or better.

And we're done with this class warfare bullshit.

You people are clueless.

Somebody is, that's for sure.

32 posted on 08/18/2011 2:41:28 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Java4Jay
LOL!

Yep, we're at Third world status: most third world employees are as well educated and have a better work ethic than your average union goon.

And they will happily work for much less than $14/hr.

Why do these bums think they're entitled to some wage, just because they live in the US?.

33 posted on 08/18/2011 2:41:59 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Java4Jay

It’s Bush’s fault.

Let’s raise the tax on that darn corporation. We’ll show them.

It was because of the tsunami in Japan.

My


35 posted on 08/18/2011 2:43:14 PM PDT by papageo
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To: Java4Jay

Anything that can destroy unions is great in my book. Unions have destroyed America. It is payback time.


36 posted on 08/18/2011 2:46:21 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: Java4Jay

I work for a 40B company and we sell product world wide.
90% built in the USA.
Unions would destroy us if it ever got implemented here.

Guess I’m not totally clueless. I DID leave MN 30 years ago because your average MN thinks High Tech is having a car which starts at -20deg.


39 posted on 08/18/2011 2:50:08 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Java4Jay

Unions are anachronistic...not to mention thuggish, Socialist, and downright hostile to the industries and companies they consistently rape.

Spare us all your crocodile tears for these a**holes. You’re on the wrong forum for that, pal.


48 posted on 08/18/2011 2:58:07 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Java4Jay

Do you understand that everyone brings something to the party....the employer and the employee....only union pukes think that the employee’s bring more to the party...


52 posted on 08/18/2011 3:03:59 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: Java4Jay
You people are clueless.

Who are these "you people"? Perhaps you refer to business owners (like myself) who create jobs and wealth from thin air by our labor and intellect. Businesses exist to create wealth, not provide jobs. When you start to understand that, you'll be well on your way to an objective vision of the world.

54 posted on 08/18/2011 3:05:21 PM PDT by numberonepal (Palin/Cain 2012)
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To: Java4Jay

You are free to find other more suitable employment. You are free to start a competing business and hire employees at $28/hr and “stick it to the man”.

Know this: Any employee can be replaced. Either by another employee or by a machine.

Solution: Find a need the market cannot do without and fill that need more efficiently than anybody else.


63 posted on 08/18/2011 3:22:17 PM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: Java4Jay

AAM got hit with a parasite, the union, which killed it. One thing that could have helped the situation is for the union to agree to cut its dues to $0. In my wife’s case, that would be more than $1K per year difference in disposable income.

Not sure, but I’ll bet the union reps still have jobs with the UAW somehow.

Many small business owners earn less than their lowest paid employee nowadays. Will you not be happy until profit margins are cut to zero?

Who will then grow the business, invest in R&D, and most importantly, pay the idiotic corporate taxes and the settlements foisted on them by the tort bar.

Capital does not go where it cannot grow. Why, after 6000 years can liberals not get that through their thick red and pink skulls?


64 posted on 08/18/2011 3:24:32 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Java4Jay

Actually, *you* are the clueless one. Try turning off the TV and picking up an econ textbook. Or, better yet, try running your own business sometime. Your comment makes it abundantly clear that you know f**k-all about economics or business.


82 posted on 08/18/2011 4:05:37 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Java4Jay
Will you all not be happy til all ‘workers’ earn a buck an hour?

I have no sympathy at all for union workers, particularly since unions tend to support the Dem politicians that got us into this mess.

Either the company reduces wages to fair market levels, or jobs move overseas.

86 posted on 08/18/2011 4:18:21 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Java4Jay

Communist Manifesto

Plank #8. “Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. “

Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920’s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html


97 posted on 08/18/2011 4:32:13 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Java4Jay

As I said 20 years ago, globalization means that third world workers will have to make more and US workers less. No one will ultimately be paid one cent more than they are worth.


119 posted on 08/18/2011 5:40:44 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Java4Jay
Will you all not be happy til all ‘workers’ earn a buck an hour?

This is a race to the bottom, third world status.

You people are clueless.


The clueless one here is you; only a pie-eyed idiot such as yourself would consider that private businesses should operate as non-profit charities for "The Workers."

The underlying problem with unions is not that workers want to hang together to increase their bargaining power, but rather than federal and state law puts the thumb of state coercion too much on the side of the unions, distorting the entire market for labor and, essentially, turning private businesses into captive cash-cows for those unions. That, of course, means that they are really just cash-cows for the union bosses - which is, in turn, why the mob always gets into the unions.

The solution is as simple and obvious as it is ignored by those who claim to want to help "The Workers" - convert the unions into partnerships, where each of the members has a fiduciary duty to the partnership and cannot compete against it without the partnership's consent, and where it is the partnership that negotiates with the employer to work out a contract under which the partnership will provide its labor resources to the employer.

Why is this the solution? Because it gives workers the same leverage that comes from size but keeps them on an equal footing with the companies that need those labor resources so that neither has an unfair negotiating position over the other. It should be patently obvious to everyone but a liberal by now that the end-result of being pro-union is not better wages or working hours for workers, but unemployment and poverty for workers - oh, and jobs for foreigners too.

That is precisely the same sort of structure that works for lawyers, has worked for centuries, and works for very large organizations composed of thousands of attorneys.

In fact, the principal purpose of the union laws in this country is not so much to protect the workers as it is to herd them into latter-day plantations and to convert them into passive, docile tools for ulterior political agendas, primarily through the use of, or threat to use, force against an uncooperative worker, and in closed-shop states through the threat of economic punishment by taking away the ability of uncooperative workers to earn a living.

No, the enemy of workers everywhere are those who claim to favor "The Workers," not those who would free them from the bonds of union slavery.
158 posted on 08/18/2011 8:21:49 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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