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The Bible is open to interpretation on many things. People can find scripture to support their own particular belief about who Jesus was, what he means to them.
1 posted on 08/17/2011 8:52:18 PM PDT by lbryce
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The Bible is open to interpretation on many things. People can find scripture to support their own particular belief about who Jesus was, what he means to them.

My own take on the matter is that Jesus saw people who got rich out of a sense of obligation and who really didn't desire wealth. By telling them to sell their goods and donate the proceeds to the poor, he was freeing them from a false value system (i.e., propitiating Mammon as an obligation.)

It's funny that no-one's mentioned the Parable of the Talents so far. I guess that's because those who believe Jesus was a socialist interpret it in a different but not necessarily unBiblical way.

57 posted on 08/17/2011 9:57:55 PM PDT by danielmryan
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The author seems to have missed the obvious, and that is that you shouldn't mix politics and religion.

It was because they were mixed that Jesus was crucified.

58 posted on 08/17/2011 9:59:58 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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Jesus calls us all to repent or perish. This is our #1 obligation in the Bible because we are all sinners in need of salvation. No one is appointed to create Heaven on Earth through the redistribution of wealth, which is what Socialism is all about.

Abraham Lincoln once remarked that as the Lord made man to live by the sweat of his brow, there would always be those who try to live off the sweat of someone else’s brow. This is what Socialism is.


59 posted on 08/17/2011 10:03:08 PM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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I think that Jesus is too smart to subscribe to any politics and those whom try to sign him up are destined for a very warm future.


62 posted on 08/17/2011 10:05:53 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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Matthew 25:14-30
14 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. 16 Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17 And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18 But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord's money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, 'Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.' 21 His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.' 22 He also who had received two talents came and said, 'Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.' 23 His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.' 24 Then he who had received the one talent came and said, 'Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.' 26 But his lord answered and said to him, 'You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'" (New King James Version)

Notice that with this parable, Jesus illustrates two simple principles: 1) God will entrust to us certain resources such as responsibilities, material possessions, family, etc. based on our ability to use these resources responsibly; and 2) God will require an accounting of how we have managed the resources that He has entrusted to us. This application calls us to make a concerted effort to be faithful stewards with every precious gift that God bestows upon us and make sure that we use those gifts to further His Kingdom.

On the first point, Jesus states pretty plainly that the Kingdom of God is based on a system that is the antithesis of socialism/communism. Marxist socialism says "from each according to his ability and to each according to his need," but Jesus says that in the Kingdom of God, people are given "to each according to his ability". Notice also, that rather than taking a redistributive approach of taking from "wealthy" to give to the "poor", the lazy unproductive servant loses even what little he had and it was given to the most successful servant that had the most money.

In all of Christ's teaching, He calls on individuals to be generous toward each other and especially those in need. He also stresses the freedom of employers and workers to enter into agreements via a free market rather than some collectively enforced arrangement. (Matthew 20:1-16) He also teaches about the importance of evaluating costs, value, and available resources before undertaking a project or investment. (Luke 14:27-33 and Matthew 13:44-52) Clearly the teaching of Jesus regarding money adheres to a market-based capitalist philosophy much more than a socialistic viewpoint.

63 posted on 08/17/2011 10:06:13 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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It always amazes me how atheist who do not believe in God profess to be such authorities on the bible.


64 posted on 08/17/2011 10:07:45 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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In Paul’s eyes, Christians who denounce Darwin’s evolutionary science, yet espouse social Darwinism (i.e. capitalism) are doing so without examining the antithetical nature of their thinking.

Some people are economic idiots; some people are theologial idiots; Gregory Paul is both. His first mistake is in characterizing capitalism as "social darwinism", but that is necessary for him to get to the supposed contradiction in his thesis.

66 posted on 08/17/2011 10:25:17 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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Only a person who knew absolutely nothing about the New Testament would even try to make such a claim. Certainly no one who had actually read all of the Book of Acts (of the Holy Spirit).


67 posted on 08/17/2011 10:35:12 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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He turned water into wine and made limited bread and fish feed many.

He didn’t propose progressive tax rates on the rich to create social programs.


68 posted on 08/17/2011 10:41:33 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm done with political parties. The GOP is useless. Anarchy is perferable to this CRAP!)
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Jesus calls us to life. He actually calls it abundant. Hopefully, you’re all finding it.


69 posted on 08/17/2011 10:41:33 PM PDT by Paraclete
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I don’t recall Jesus telling us to build prison camps-and in the real world, that is what every socialist system winds up being. I guess those who would place Jesus’ name on their schemes forget that His blessing shows on the outcome-not the intent.


74 posted on 08/17/2011 11:07:48 PM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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There is never support for communism/socialism. There is no “force” in the concept of charity, ever. It ceases to be charity, when it is government force.

Socialism/Communism is always forced confiscation from the producers...and it rewards evil with the money—sloth, bad behaviors, etc. It is immoral by Christian standards and Natural Law Theory.


75 posted on 08/17/2011 11:44:53 PM PDT by savagesusie
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77 posted on 08/18/2011 12:05:47 AM PDT by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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Huuuuh errrrr....He is unique, believe it or not ,he claims to be a special embodiement of God revealing people the face , the person,of the hiden “God” who created everything and that nothing can see. And that’s what christians believe.
About his doctrine and teachings anyway some parabols like the one about the talents or also the 11th hour’s worker...are not at all “socialists”.
On a more foundamental level it appears that , according to the Holy Gospels, that each one is seen as an individual person and will receive grace according to hese needs and capacities “ad modum recipientis”....which is very far from the flat notion and dangerous socialist fantasy of a strict equality.

So this point is pathetic and laughable but shows well, once again, that socialism has always, since the beginning, pretended to be a kind of new (fake) religion, parody of religion, with hese fake dogma and true fanatic ideologues which tried to replace christianism


78 posted on 08/18/2011 12:43:25 AM PDT by Ulysse
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Last week, atheist Gregory Paul, a freelance researcher, author and illustrator, penned a piece for the Washington Post in which he claims that socialism has its roots in the Christian Bible.

"Paul, Paul, why persecutest slanderest thou Me?"

81 posted on 08/18/2011 2:16:00 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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No.


82 posted on 08/18/2011 2:17:10 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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When you come right down to it, Jesus is a theocrat.

Crown, throne, scepter, King of Kings and Lord of Lords....


83 posted on 08/18/2011 2:25:39 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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Modern accounting is based in part on the records maintained by Christian monks.


88 posted on 08/18/2011 4:27:41 AM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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Socialism is an inherently humanistic doctrine that teaches that humanity can remove the curse of sin from itself by government dictat. If Jesue was a socialist, He wouldn’t have died for our sins.


89 posted on 08/18/2011 4:32:07 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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Socialism replaces God. It is a state religion.


91 posted on 08/18/2011 4:52:07 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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