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To: SUSSA
Would you do away with them in Cuba and Korea too?

No, but you must consider the "cost/benefit" ratio. In Cuba and Korea, the extremely difficult decision that a few American lives are "worth" the benefit has been made. More on that below.

I’ll bow to your first hand knowledge. I just wonder why we keep using them if they are so bad.

In Cuba and Korea, making the Cuban Army or the North Korean Army believe that they can just swiftly rumble into Guantanamo would make the loss of a few American lives pale by comparison. For example, in 1950, when a careless statement made the Communists believe that South Korea was outside the U.S. defense umbrella, that miscalculation cost the U.S. 36,516 combat deaths. Yes, losing a Marine here and losing 5 drunken sailors there is "bad" but not as bad as losing tens of thousands of lives if Cuba and North Korea think that they can just waltz in.

The Falklands War happened for the very reason. The Argentinians were able to "waltz right in" and it cost the British 258 killed and 8 sunken warships to recover the Islands.

It seems to me that if we use them to protect Guantanamo and Korea they would work to protect the homeland.

So, again to the "cost/benefit". Look how much longer the border is and what are the stakes. That much of a minefield would cost a fortune and maintenance would cost a steady number of deaths to American troops, lost hikers, lost tourists, cattle, cut off ranchers from their Rio Grande water supply ... a nightmare.

Then comes the PR nightmare ..... On the front page of every newspaper across the planet: A photo of dead children with their guts all over their barely recognizable faces. Some shattered bodies will even be American bodies. Maybe even American teenagers that took a wrong tun late at night.

Immigration control become synonymous with mass murder and guess who loses the war?

Anybody that dares mention "Border Control" of any kind will be labeled a "Baby Murderer".

So, all that for what?

To enable the politicians to escape the duty to come down hard on illegal employers and enforce existing laws?

This video is strong evidence that if existing immigration laws are enforced, then illegal aliens will deport themselves.

Right now, in the Sate of Georgia, illegal aliens are deporting themselves out of Georgia because, this year, the Georgia politicians decided to get tough and start enforcing laws.

Illegal aliens are self-deporting from Georgia

So, we are, in effect asking American servicemen to die so that politicians don't have to make political choices that are unpopular with the employers that bribe them with campaign contributions.

The "cost/benefit" ratio is simply unjustifiable.

As I posted before, when illegals cannot get jobs, they deport themselves.

Better an ounce of political guts than truck loads of real guts scattered all over the American desert.

160 posted on 08/17/2011 2:08:26 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: Polybius

Cut all benefits to illegals...ALL...without jobs...self deport would rid this country of most illegals. I know some areas in the USA...especially since the economy has gone on the skids is now like a ghost town...illegal mexicans, and others from central and south America have left for home. Illegals businesses that were supported by the illegals have had to close down.


169 posted on 08/17/2011 2:31:33 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Polybius

You convinced me on the mine fields. However, with the Mexican military crossing our border at will and even firing on border patrol we need to do more than just going after criminal employers.

I don’t care whose army it is. If they cross our border once and fire a shot I say unleash hell on their country. If Monaco sent troops across our border I’d invade them and turn the whole country into an American shopping mall as a warning to the rest of the world.

Many of the illegals leaving Georgia aren’t going back where they belong. They are just going to other states.

Operation Wetback was very successful in the ‘50s but that was before welfare. Illegals live quite well here on welfare.

So, you convinced me on the mine fields but I’d put two heavy infantry divisions plus air support on the border and create a DMZ from coast to coast using immanent domain to acquire the land. I’d have it so wired that nothing bigger than a cockroach could cross without coming under our gaze. Hostiles who refused to turn back when confronted would be arrested or fired on if they resisted.

We should have colonized the damn cesspool down there when we beat back their invasion and defeated them in 1848.


177 posted on 08/17/2011 3:10:16 PM PDT by SUSSA
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