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Obama tries to turn the tables on GOP with call for tax cut extension
The Hill ^ | 8/14/11 | Russell Berman and Bernie Becker

Posted on 08/14/2011 7:32:12 PM PDT by Libloather

Obama tries to turn the tables on GOP with call for tax cut extension
By Russell Berman and Bernie Becker
08/14/11 06:00 PM ET

President Obama’s call for an extension of a payroll tax cut could upend the political dynamics in Congress heading into the fall, as Democrats adopt a trademark Republican tactic: warning against a looming tax hike.

With the economic recovery stalled, the Obama administration is pushing aggressively to keep in place the payroll tax holiday that was enacted as part of the bipartisan tax deal Congress passed in December.

Republican leaders have resisted that idea, preferring instead to push for a comprehensive tax overhaul that would simplify the code and permanently lower income and corporate rates.

It would be difficult for such a broad package to be completed this year, however, raising the possibility that Americans could face a higher tax bill next year despite the weak economy.

“We should extend the payroll tax cut as soon as possible, so that workers have more money in their paychecks next year and businesses have more customers next year,” Obama said at the White House on Monday.

The president wants the tax cut extended along with unemployment insurance benefits, and has warned that if Congress fails to do so, “it could mean 1 million fewer jobs and half a percent less growth.”

The administration says the two-percentage point reduction in the payroll tax put in place for 2011 has cut tax bills by about $1,000.

While Republican leaders have not rejected the proposal outright, they have sought to shift attention to their broader tax platform. Kevin Smith, a spokesman for Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), would not comment on the payroll tax extension, saying Republicans were focused on their own job-creation proposal, which includes tax reform, trade deals and reducing regulations.

The GOP chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Rep. Dave Camp (Mich.), has also criticized extending the tax cut.

“I'm not in favor of that. I don't think that's a good idea,” he said during an event sponsored by the Wall Street Journal in June, before the White House ramped up its push. “We need a more overarching approach to our tax policy,” Camp said, calling the payroll tax holiday “piecemeal.”

The Republican budget chief, Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.), has dismissed the payroll tax cut as “sugar-high economics.”

“I’m not a Keynesian, so I don’t think sugar-high economics works,” the Wisconsin Republican said at a policy discussion hosted by The Hill in June. “We’ve sort of proven this already, a number of times. Temporary tax rebates don’t work to create economic growth. Permanent tax changes do.”

The likely fate of the payroll tax is unclear, and whether the break is extended depends to a large extent on the scope of the congressional “supercommittee” charged with finding at least $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction by Thanksgiving. If the panel tackles tax reform, the payroll tax could be addressed as part of that effort, or separately.

The administration’s push is part of its long-running effort to balance short-term economic growth with a broader bid to slash the deficit. Ryan’s Budget Committee said the combination of extending the payroll tax holiday and unemployment insurance, along with new spending for infrastructure Obama has proposed, could add $250 billion to the deficit over 10 years.

Yet the payroll tax issue cuts against the traditional partisan divide on taxes. Republicans have hammered Obama and congressional Democrats for opposing a permanent extension of the entire slate of George W. Bush-era tax cuts, arguing that they want to raise taxes on wealthy Americans and small businesses alike.

A Democratic strategist said the GOP position on the payroll tax is “yet another example of Republicans being more concerned with protecting the interests of the wealthy than protecting working families. The GOP would rather seniors and the middle class sacrifice while the wealthy pay even less in taxes.”

One complicating factor for Obama is that many liberals in Congress are not enamored of the administration’s idea, either. They are concerned that reductions in the payroll tax could threaten Social Security by draining its trust fund.

In July, 62 House Democrats signed a letter urging President Obama not to extend the payroll tax holiday.

“We remain gravely concerned that yet another, unacceptable cut to Social Security’s revenue stream appears to be on the table,” wrote the Democrats, who were led by Reps. Lloyd Doggett (Tex.), Ted Deutch (Fla.) and Mark Critz (Pa.). “As alternative measures would have the same net effect on deficits and the economy, there is simply no need to negotiate cuts to Social Security taxes.”

Clint Stretch of Deloitte Tax said the debate over the payroll tax holiday illustrated a greater divide between the Democrats who believe in temporary, stimulative measures and Republicans who do not.

“All this is really just about theological issues,” Stretch, a managing principal at Deloitte, told The Hill. “If you believe government can help solve problems, you’re for this. If what you already believe is that government is the problem, you’re not.”

As Stretch also noted, Republicans view policies like the Bush tax cuts as greater drivers of economic growth — and that the GOP intended for those rates, which were originally on the books for 10 years and were extended late last year, to be permanent.

Stretch said that there were political risks for Republicans to come out in favor of extending the holiday as a stimulus measure, even if Democrats could try to frame that stance as backing a tax hike.

“If you have this position that government’s the problem, and then you start trying to do stimulus through the tax code, you’re exposing your right flank,” Stretch said.


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To: Libloather

If an extension of tax cuts is good, then permanent is better.

Raise the ante.


41 posted on 08/14/2011 10:03:46 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Gore Lauds Romney on Climate Position; 0bamaCare was based on RomneyCare.)
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To: Libloather

Further tax cuts? They should be paid for with equivalent, immediate spending cuts using Obama’s own logic. Smoke him out.


42 posted on 08/14/2011 10:53:53 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: Libloather

Wait. What?
The Republicans would be fools to not only call Ubanga’s bluff on this, but to double down.


43 posted on 08/14/2011 10:56:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: yup2394871293
Further tax cuts? They should be paid for with equivalent, immediate spending cuts using Obama’s own logic. Smoke him out.

Further tax cuts? They should be "paid for" with equivalent, immediate spending cuts using Obama’s own logic. Smoke him out.

Fixed it for you. Accuracy counts.
You have an excellent idea there, by the way.

FRegards,
LH

44 posted on 08/14/2011 11:05:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: flamberge

There are people receiving unemployment benefits who could find work if they wanted to. If you consider telling that truth an insult, so be it.


45 posted on 08/14/2011 11:30:38 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: flamberge
Here is an example of what I am talking about from Instapundit.

Reader Isaac Vavra emails: “I’m a 20 year old who works at a McDonalds and saved up enough money this year to travel throughout South America. I met a kid in San Jose, Costa Rica: He is in his 20′s, he got laid off from his job with Medicare, and is now living down here in Costa Rica. He says he has enough to stay for five years. He is collecting unemployment and just withdraws the money in Costa Rica.”

I don't know what you call collecting unemployment benefits in Costa Rica - but I call that being a deadbeat.

46 posted on 08/14/2011 11:35:22 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: max americana

Amen. And boy can they lick.


47 posted on 08/14/2011 11:37:56 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Cobra64
>>This jerk doesn’s even know what FICA is.

Federal Immigrant College Assistance?

Fund for Improper Congressional Activities?

Funding Improvements to Community ACORNS?

(Just a moment while I ask TOTUS how I'm supposed to respond....)

48 posted on 08/14/2011 11:39:16 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: bray
His Drive America under the Bus Tour is going to make him look even smaller than he is. Then off to Cape Cod, nice campaigning.

Pray for America

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I AGREE WITH THAT

Everything this Jackwagon President does just grows the Tea Party more!

All he can do now is lie about the economy.

Under the bus for you too
Barack 'Jackwagon' Obama's Misery Bus Tour
49 posted on 08/14/2011 11:43:39 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I think you nailed ‘em. Great sense of humor, thanks. :)


50 posted on 08/15/2011 1:58:03 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Melchior

It all depends on the Senates view, the pubs should be able to clear any demon challenge in the house and they should call for permanent inclusion of the Bush tax cut.


51 posted on 08/15/2011 2:03:56 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Libloather
The president wants the tax cut extended along with unemployment insurance benefits, and has warned that if Congress fails to do so, “it could mean 1 million fewer jobs and half a percent less growth.”

To me this means that they are projecting fewer jobs than they expect and lower growth than they expect. So they want to be able to blame it on Republicans. Never try to solve the problem, just try to assign blame when your solutions make things worse.

52 posted on 08/15/2011 2:16:22 AM PDT by BruceS (If you refuse to support the lesser of two evils, then you are supporting the greater of two evils.)
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To: Libloather

Its not a Tax cut its cheating Social Security out of its Money


53 posted on 08/15/2011 4:36:11 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Libloather
The payroll tax cut is three times as large as the Bush tax cuts and has done nothing for the economy.

Changes in CBO's Baseline Projections Since January 2001
54 posted on 08/15/2011 5:20:56 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Libloather

how the heck do you pay for a failing social security when you don’t collect the money?


55 posted on 08/15/2011 5:40:01 AM PDT by q_an_a (uues)
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To: ZOOKER
Throw it right back in the Dem's faces by demanding PAYGO.

From what I hear, that plan is still officially in effect. Where? I don't have a clue.

56 posted on 08/15/2011 5:57:01 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: sickoflibs
RE: "Republicans if they had guts would admit that SS is funded with issuing new US debt because of this tax cut."
Of course both sides of the political house are to blame for most all our ills coming to past.
57 posted on 08/15/2011 12:09:12 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: sickoflibs
This FICA cut had got to be the stupidest tax cut of all, esp compared to other possibilities.

If Obummer were serious about cutting FICA taxes to "help the economy", he would recommend a cut of the employer's share rather than the employee's share.

Reducing the cost of employment might actually serve to increase hiring.

58 posted on 08/15/2011 12:53:38 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01
RE :”If Obummer were serious about cutting FICA taxes to “help the economy”, he would recommend a cut of the employer's share rather than the employee's share.
Reducing the cost of employment might actually serve to increase hiring.

I posted that same view in December an many times since.

Cutting FICA which was obviously Obama’s idea like his “Making Work Pay tax credit’ and the 2008 Bush-Pelosi stimulus tax credit just plays to the Democrat idea that voters can be distracted from the nations dire circumstances with a small bribe.

59 posted on 08/15/2011 1:04:15 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: All; Libloather
“We remain gravely concerned that yet another, unacceptable cut to Social Security’s revenue stream appears to be on the table..."

We have a winner! The payroll tax holiday--it's not a tax cut as much as borrowing from Social Security because, by law, the missing Social Security revenues MUST be repaid with general tax revenues--has not created one new job.

It's all been on the employee side, the employer is still paying the same old rates. It didn't lower cost of hiring new workers or retaining existing ones.

It's phony baloney gimmicky nonsense. It looks good for people already working because their paychecks are slightly higher but it's useless to the unemployed masses.

60 posted on 08/15/2011 2:49:01 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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