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1 posted on 08/13/2011 10:01:32 AM PDT by neverdem
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Put a wind turbine in front of Barry’s teleprompter.

There’s always wind there.


2 posted on 08/13/2011 10:05:19 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: neverdem

If the wind don’t blow,
The turbine don’t go.

Perhaps tidal turbines would be better. The tide works twice a day every day.


3 posted on 08/13/2011 10:09:44 AM PDT by Venturer
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Wow, that's one of the most dishonest graphs I've seen in a while. Note the highlighted areas.

Dishonest graph, note the difference in scale for the two lines is more than an order of magnitude apart.

The scale on the two lines differs by over an order of magnitude. Although it appears at first glance that there were short times where wind generation exceeded total demand, by showing the blue line above the green line, in reality, wind generation never rarely met even 10% of total demand.

4 posted on 08/13/2011 10:14:04 AM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: neverdem

Sheesh, Bryce, you are presenting facts here. Who cares about facts? Truth is what we say it is. Wind is “green” and will save us all from demon fossil fuels.


5 posted on 08/13/2011 10:16:29 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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I got about a thousand of these in storage, I'll volunteer to help them out.


6 posted on 08/13/2011 10:16:43 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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Do you mean to tell me that those Smelly Hippie Environmentalists were wrong again? Gasp!


7 posted on 08/13/2011 10:16:50 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: neverdem

Most Texans know...when it’s 110 degrees, there’s very little breeze.


8 posted on 08/13/2011 10:19:22 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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The governments solution...

Tax the heck out of technologies that compete with your little boondoggle and use what remains of the tax money, after you have hired a bunch more of bureaucrats with it, to subsidize your boondoggle.

Nudge... nudge...

10 posted on 08/13/2011 10:22:54 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: neverdem

Looks to be 180 degrees out of phase. Figures.


15 posted on 08/13/2011 10:28:27 AM PDT by stboz
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“Perhaps they could set blowers in front of the turbines to keep them going” - Imaginary quote from Øbumbler


16 posted on 08/13/2011 10:28:27 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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I have a simple solution for Texas, with known technology, that could turn most of the State green and keep it green even if it never rained again. And it’s all based on just one thing. The Gulf Coast.

The Gulf Coast has a vast amount of water, albeit salt water. But underneath the Gulf Coast is an enormous amount of natural gas.

Put those two things together and you have desalinization. Fresh water in vast amounts.

So build natural gas powered desalinization plants and pipelines to ship the water inland. Such plants can run year around, and during wetter seasons can fill reservoirs. And when those reservoirs are filled, use electricity generated from natural gas to pipe the water to ever deeper inland reservoirs.

Certainly it will be expensive, but it will turn big sections of desert Texas green with farmland and water using industry.


17 posted on 08/13/2011 10:30:31 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Actually, the ultimate solution is NOT wind turbines, since you have the issues of noise generated by the turbines, the unsightliness of hundreds of large turbines in the same area, and the issue of bird kills with conventional turbines (since birds often can't see the spinning blades clearly).

Here's the vastly better solution, as shown by this large schematic:

The US has 440,000 tons of thorium-232 that can be used for the liquid fluoride thorium reactor, plus many tons of spent uranium fuel rods that could be processed into fuel for this reactor, too. If we standardized a design for a 1,000 MW LFTR, we could build hundreds of them not only to expand available power, but also phase out coal-fired powerplants, too.

23 posted on 08/13/2011 10:51:34 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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24 posted on 08/13/2011 10:52:26 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Over the past few years, about $17 billion has been spent installing wind turbines in Texas. Another $8 billion has been allocated for transmission lines to carry the electricity generated by the turbines to distant cities. And now, Texas ratepayers are on the hook for much of that $25 billion, even though they can’t count on the wind to keep their air conditioners running when temperatures soar.

Okay, first, how did this happen in Texas??? Texas freepers, can you explain this to me. I live in the Seattle area, so I am never surprised at the doofuses here doing idiot stuff like this. But, I expected Texans to be more sensible. Have I misjudged you?

Also, we now know that these wind turbines can't help much in the heat; and, that they freeze up (Minnesota, Scotland) in the winter. What the hell do they do, besides kill a lot of birds?

27 posted on 08/13/2011 11:04:07 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: neverdem

ping


34 posted on 08/13/2011 11:43:34 AM PDT by VTenigma
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Turbines don’t work unless there is a steady wind. Until somebody figures out a practical way of storing the electricity, windmills are useless.

When I was a kid, my aunt and uncle, who never threw anything away, still had the remains of an old windcharger mounted on an old shed on their farm. The shed was full of 6-volt batteries wired in series to store the electricity, which they used to power their milkhouse. They never had electricity in their actual house until REA came along in the 50’s. This “turbine” concept is not a new idea, and it has never worked very well.


37 posted on 08/13/2011 12:24:01 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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I have one that trickle charges a bank of 16 royals deep cell batteries that provide emergency power through a trace inverter.

Works well but I’m living in a place where wind averages 20mph an I don’t depend on this source. It will run basics in my home when we lose power in ice or thunderstorms etc...

They have their place but not in the commercial energy grid IMO.

Ones we have here in the panhandle of Texas are running yet the quality of power to the distribution point is so up an down its expensive to corral properly according to friends that do such for a living.

1 thorium based nuclear power plant per 1 million in population is a formula America needs to adopt.

Got to be fixed yesterday....


39 posted on 08/13/2011 12:36:13 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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"Hot? Don’t count on wind energy to cool you down. That’s the lesson emerging from the stifling heat wave that’s hammering Texas."

The Marching Morons (C. M. Kornbluth)

Wind turbines in Texas? You've gotta be kidding me. ...maybe around Corpus Christi or something like that, but in central Texas?

If y'all want to learn something about wind turbines, go to Otherpower.com.

If you're in one of the few areas that get enough wind and want to build one of those, you'd better have some welding, steel fab, machining experience and industrial/construction safety experience.

Well, I reckon that leaves nearly all political banditos outside of the realm of credibility on the wind power discussion. Energy is a job for us feared technocrats, who will be on the loose and unregulated before long.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. I know that I will.


41 posted on 08/13/2011 12:50:33 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a noisy avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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I think the turbine problem will resolve itself. The thieves are going to run out of copper & air conditioners to steal and sell for recycling. the only things left to steal will be the wind turbines.


42 posted on 08/13/2011 12:55:09 PM PDT by stylin19a (obama..."Fredo-Smart")
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I can’t sleep well without a floor fan blowing on me all night.

In order to power that fan by wind i believe i would need a slightly bigger fan out in my backyard with wind spinning it at a slightly faster rate than the one inside for 8 hours straight while i sleep.

Ya ok.
Makes sense.
Whats billions and billions of dollars anyways?


44 posted on 08/13/2011 1:05:40 PM PDT by mowowie
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