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To: marktwain; All

Certainly very good advice.

I’ve been following these “flash mob” stories for awhile, and certainly it does pay to be armed.

However, what happens when you go up against a “flash mob”, let’s say, composed of 100 or so individuals, all of whom are armed as equally as you?

All it’s going to take is one of the “flash mobbers” to get shot, and they’ll arm up as well. I’m surprised they haven’t already, to be honest.

It’s easy to say fire off a shot and they’ll run.....but what if they don’t? They may not be the shots in the world, but all it takes is one bullet from a lucky shot, and down you go.

I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?


16 posted on 08/13/2011 5:54:40 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?

That is a subjective determination that has to be made based on the totality of circumstances.

21 posted on 08/13/2011 6:09:38 AM PDT by fso301
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

“What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?”

You have civil war!


28 posted on 08/13/2011 6:24:27 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
So far, the mobs have been unarmed because they haven't shot anyone, nor have there been any reports of guns. At least at this point, the mobs seem to be made up of vicious teenagers who use their numbers to overwhelm. A lot of them may well be spoiled brats bored of playing Everquest rather than conventional gang-bangers, who'd have weapons. Some of this may even be spawned by the "raiding" behavior in the video games.

I'm also thinking of bear spray as a possible weapon. You don't need a CCW for that. You can also spray and immobilize (and cause great pain) quite a few of these feral humans.

30 posted on 08/13/2011 6:28:08 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
However, what happens when you go up against a “flash mob”, let’s say, composed of 100 or so individuals, all of whom are armed as equally as you?

Back in the Vietnam era, they often spoke of the "kill ratio", primarily in the context that for every American GI killed, a certain quantity of NVA/Viet Cong personnel were killed. If the mobs start going armed, that term will again become popular. It may be suicidal if there's no escape route, but if you take a few of them with you, you've won your portion of the battle. You just wouldn't be around to enjoy the victory.

Remember what Patton said, - you're not sent to die for your country, you're here to get the other SOB to die for his country.

33 posted on 08/13/2011 6:32:01 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?

I'm guessing that will be the beginning of the CWII.
39 posted on 08/13/2011 6:40:42 AM PDT by crosshairs (If Sharia Law becomes the law of the land, heads are gonna roll.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; All
Certainly very good advice.

I’ve been following these “flash mob” stories for awhile, and certainly it does pay to be armed.

However, what happens when you go up against a “flash mob”, let’s say, composed of 100 or so individuals, all of whom are armed as equally as you?

All it’s going to take is one of the “flash mobbers” to get shot, and they’ll arm up as well. I’m surprised they haven’t already, to be honest.

It’s easy to say fire off a shot and they’ll run.....but what if they don’t? They may not be the shots in the world, but all it takes is one bullet from a lucky shot, and down you go.

I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?

Your observation that the flash mobs have not "armed up" is cogent and instructive. There are several reasons for this. Most of the people in the flash mobs are legally disbared from possesing firearms. If they possess them illegally, they cost resources to obtain. One of the prime motivators of flash mobs is the near certainty of immunity from prosecution. If there are 30 young black people involved in an attack, it is fairly easy for anyone of them to claim that they were not involved, so it is a good defense in court, and it is hard for police to catch these people in the act, which tends to occur quickly.

If they start carrying weapons illegally, they give up much of their advantages. They are subject to prosecution before, during, and after the attack. If they are chased by police, they have to figure a way to get rid of the weapon before they get caught. They don't want to use a holster because it is harder to get rid of. If they figured they were going to get into a gun fight, it is more likely they would be deterred from the attack rather than carry a weapon to it.

In short, I think it unlikely that the flash mob phenomena will start "arming up". If they do, the populace will "arm up" all the faster. While a CCW holder may go down in such a situation, he/she is likely to take more than one flash mob types with them. Statistically, the flash mobs will be on the losing end of this sort of attrition.

This is why civilization works. The majority of citizens know that life is more comfortable and safer under the rule of law. They vastly outnumber the outlaws, who are attrited out of existance by the majority, which uses the mechanism of the government to its advantage.

The places that you have serious problems are where the government has protected the outlaws, or has become outlaw itself. In most of the U.S., we are not at that point.

42 posted on 08/13/2011 6:45:09 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The thing is, after a few flash mobbers are killed, flash mobs wil stop happening. Ao they arm themselves? So what?

They are in it for fun, for excitement, for profit, for revenge. They’re NOT in it to die. So if the likelihood of that occuring show up, they will try something else.

The point is, you have the right and the duty to defend yhourseld


43 posted on 08/13/2011 6:49:01 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
All it’s going to take is one of the “flash mobbers” to get shot, and they’ll arm up as well. I’m surprised they haven’t already, to be honest.

A large percentage of flash mob members are either juveniles or have felony records, or both. This disqualifies them from CCW eligibility. A felon in possession of a gun is an automatic trip back to prison. This is why they like flash mobs -- they have overwhelming force, but no weapons that can land them in prison.

They also enjoy mobbing, but have no interest in getting killed for entertainment. If a bunch get killed, they're more likely to lose interest in the activity.

56 posted on 08/13/2011 7:22:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

If you start shooting, then they’ll start shooting. Then you’ll have a street war. After awhile, everybody will forget who started it, and the lefties will say “it’s nobody’s fault, but we have to disarm america right now, now, now!” I don’t think any of these mob actions are spontaneous,they’re coordinated.


60 posted on 08/13/2011 7:38:42 AM PDT by virgil
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Civil War?


83 posted on 08/13/2011 9:30:28 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

If that’s the case, chances are you were going to be gunned down anyways, sad reality!


101 posted on 08/15/2011 7:23:36 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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