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Dose of Reason: Perry and Gardasil
RIght Wing ^ | August 7, 2011 | bnuckols

Posted on 08/12/2011 2:46:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Bear with me, this isn’t a “sound bite” subject.

The Human Papilloma Virus is an infection, and should not be a moral issue. In contrast, the vaccine against four strains of the virus, Gardasil, has become a political issue, even though the Federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) now recommends it for all boys and girls.

Governor Rick Perry has been criticized for his February, 2007 Executive Order that made the vaccine mandatory for girls before entering the 6th grade. Very little is said about the part of the EO that affirmed the right of and facilitated parents who wish to “opt out” of not only Gardasil, but other vaccines as well.

We expect the Governor to direct the people that he appoints, right? The Governor is responsible for management of the Executive Branch, including the Department of State Health Services. He appoints the head of the DSHS, who supervises the people who decide which vaccines will be mandatory. Texas’ Legislature modified Chapter 38.001 of the Texas Education Code over the years to mandate certain vaccines and allow the DSHS to add other mandated vaccines without Legislative oversight. Just before the Gardasil controversy, the Department had mandated Chicken Pox and Hepatitis A, which are both manufactured using cultures of human fetal tissue obtained at an abortion.

The Governor’s Executive Order (RP 65) that caused all the controversy also ordered the director of DSHS to make it easier for parents to opt out of vaccines. The Legislature had changed the law from “opt in” to a requirement to “opt out” once for all the school years. Next, they changed to a two year limit on the opt out, and then in 2005, the Legislature restricted the period to one year and required a new State form bearing a “seal.” Parents had to go to Austin or start early in the summer. There were bureaucrats who maintained that the only way to get the form with the seal was to go to Austin, find the right office and make the request in person. Perry used his EO to tell the Director of DSHS to make the request (and the seal) available on-line, making it easier to “opt out.”

In fact, the reason for the Executive Order was to speed up private insurance coverage and to make it easier for parents to exercise their right to opt out.

The Federal government doesn’t have the authority to mandate vaccines in the States. Not yet, not exactly. However, thirty days after the National Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommended the vaccine, Texas was required by Federal law to buy and distribute the vaccine in the “Vaccines for Children” program. The program provides vaccines without cost to uninsured children up to age 21, those who are insured by Medicaid, and those whose private insurance does not pay for vaccines at all. In effect, the only families who have to pay for Gardasil – for whom the State of Texas will not pay, anyway, under Federal law – are those whose private insurance will only pay for mandated vaccines.

Gardasil is manufactured the same way that insulin for diabetics is made these days: using recombinant DNA. In this case, common bakers’ yeast makes the proteins that cause the immune response. Gardasil had been thoroughly studied even in 2007, and is not only included in the Vaccines for Children program, it is the most-requested vaccine for girls. We are even seeing cross-protection from other strains. It has recently been recommended for boys. The recommended time to give the HPV vaccine is at 11 or 12 years old, when children are scheduled to receive other shots (tetanus and MMR boosters) and before they were likely to be infected.

The only reason that we do “Pap smears” (the papanicolaou test) is to look for changes in the cell nuclear DNA of the cervix, the opening to the uterus or womb. Over the last 15 years, we have found that 99.7% of these changes are due to HPV infections. In the US, 70% of cervical cancers are caused by HPV 16 and 18. (50% by HPV 16.) These are the two types of HPV that result in the most damage and cost, due to repeat paps and the subsequent biopsies, freezing, “LEEP,” or other treatments in which the surface of the cervix (the opening to the uterus or womb) is burned off to remove cancerous and pre-cancerous cells. These treatments lead to infertility and premature births.

Because 15% of girls begin sex before age 15 and half of girls who have sex before 20 say their first time was involuntary, the first trial of Gardasil involved 1200 girls between the ages of 9 and 15. The girls 15 and under had a better response to the vaccine than the older girls and women 16 and above. The researchers compared blood levels of antibodies. The research ethics committee ensured that no paps or pelvics were done on the young girls. (Every one of the young women under the age of 21 when I sent them for colposcopy for cancerous changes had been raped before they were 15 years old.)

The reports of deaths and injuries from Gardasil are poorly documented. The great majority of the adverse effects in the reports include pain, redness, and tingling at the injection site and fainting and headaches. People often faint and complain of headaches after seeing a needle, even without being stuck. It looks awful sometimes, like a seizure. The FDA has ruled that none of the deaths that have been confirmed were caused by the vaccine. In addition, this article from the Canadian Medical Association Journal contains a table showing the numbers of serious events and the numbers of deaths in several studies on the use of the HPV vaccine.

Remember your statistics classes. With 33 million doses, there are bound to be deaths that coincide with the timing of the vaccine use. The teen death rate from all causes is 62 per 100,000 across the US. Most of those are boys, but still: In 10 million girls, 30 deaths are not outside the rate for the age group. They are tragic, but consistent with life on this Earth.

More likely the girls who had severe reactions or death had other risk factors, due to the population presenting to clinics giving the vaccine: those who present with worries about STD’s, the newly sexually active and those entering college. The records show that many were given new scripts at the same visit for birth control pills and other vaccines and medicines, according to the analyses in the medical literature. (Also, remember the silicon, SSRI, and the general vaccine scares that have been blown out of proportion through the years and later proven to be untrue.)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: captaingardasil; cervicalcancer; cronycapitolist; formerdemocratperry; gardasil; gardasilrick; girls; hpv; immunizations; mandatedmedicine; merckforperry; openborders; perry; perrycare; pharmaceuticals; rino; rinoperry; socializedmedicine; std; vaccines
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

Being “vaccinated” against sexually transmitted diseases gives people a comfort level with fornication.

Fornication includes any sexual activity outside of marriage.

The real, true conservative viewpoint is the Judeo-Christian viewpoint, that any sort of sexual activity while not married is a sin.

Divorce, in the absence of much adultery, should be a very rare occurrence.

When society gets comfortable with the sins of fornication and adultery, there is an enormous cost to society. All the “collateral damage” - divorce, vices, all sorts of hedonistic behavior. That is because when one’s life is ruined by the consequences of one’s acts, one tends to “give up” morally and partake of all sort of vices, since one says to oneself things along the lines of “I might as well have fun, my life is a mess anyway - I’ve been wronged or had bad luck - only I care about me, I might as well get what I can for myself and enjoy life as much as I can”. Responsibility flies out the window. And lack of responsibility is a bad habit to get into - because responsibility is needed in many parts of life: financial, charitable, raising children, caring for elders, staying safe, etc.

If you want your young sons and daughters to become complacent about remaining chaste until they are married, if you want them to fall prey to the oh so subtle deception that “a little” sex is ok just this once, no one will know, it’s no big deal, everyone does it, etc., then just give them that little bit of comfort. Make sure they get their vaccine. You can sleep better at night too, knowing that since you’ve surrendered their bodies to fornication, you can rely on the firm foundation of the sign and the seal of vaccination that will protect them. Don’t worry - resigning their physical bodies to corruption is really small potatoes, since you’ve already set their souls on the path to damnation by planting the seed of thought in their mind that they probably will have sex at some point before they are married. Even though you’ve planted this tiny see that will start to make them comfortable with sin, don’t worry, you’ve done the responsible thing and made sure they had their saving medicine to protect them.

Romans 6:23

“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

And nothing man creates can save us from the death which is the consequence of sin.


61 posted on 08/12/2011 6:02:57 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: Sybeck1

“His softness on illegals is a bigger concern to me.”

...and most of us in Texas.


62 posted on 08/12/2011 6:03:52 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

What was his stance during the 2007 amnesty fight? I am sure Cincinatus Wife has that answer on a macro somewhere?


63 posted on 08/12/2011 6:10:26 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (BE BOLD SARAH)
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To: BobL; Sybeck1
“His softness on illegals is a bigger concern to me.”

...and most of us in Texas.

The Fed's softness on border security bothers Americans -- especially those of us who live in border states.

64 posted on 08/12/2011 6:12:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: PieterCasparzen
READ the article. You look foolish.
65 posted on 08/12/2011 6:14:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RVN Airplane Driver; catfish1957; Proud_texan; RKBA Democrat; SamuraiScot; grey_whiskers; ...

you are “brave” and proud backstabbing FReepers
behind their back on FReeRepubic for your RINOs
when it is customary to bcc: someone you hitting
with ad hominem.

That said, you two PerryBOTs who are supporting
the GOVERNMENTAL CONTROL OF MEDICINE be it
RomneyCARE, PerryCARE, or ObamaCARE,
are nothing but a danger to the USA.

Take your RINO far away ... back to Gore and Rove.


66 posted on 08/12/2011 6:15:48 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Any Mandate for an untested drug by Executive Order
-or- any other variation of RomneyCARE or ObamaCARE
is outrageous.

That RINO Perry fought to keep HIS Mandate
(forget about the payoffs from Merck
or the stupidity of giving it to chaste children)
and that the RINO PerryBOTs attack anyone who
brings it up, shows you all are more interested
in STATISM than safety and honesty.


67 posted on 08/12/2011 6:16:32 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thank you for posting this, I had forgotten what a big-government lovin’ fool Gov. Perry really was! Any politician who would completely undermine the authority of every parent to make important medical decisions for their own children isn’t fit to be on a city council. Any politician stupid enough to do this in Texas isn’t smart enough to be a dog catcher!


68 posted on 08/12/2011 6:20:08 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Diogenesis

You continue to mountainize a trivial ant hill.

The guardasil topic is not really worthy of consideration in a Presidential context. For you it has become important to magnify your personal views and well regarded reputation, but in the overall scheme of things....... of no importance at all.


69 posted on 08/12/2011 6:20:52 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So....the article is basically saying that he agrees with the principle behind Romneycare and Obamacare (put a gun to the head of private insurance companies so the end user gets something for “free”)?

We have an opt-out provision here in Pennsylvania too (put in place to placate our Amish population). But you have to dig really, really deep to find it, and the school administrators will fight you tooth-and-nail if you try and exercise it. There is actually a state form which we could not locate anyplace except from one guy who ran a counter-cultural health food store. The school administration lied their arses off claiming that there was no opt-out until we had to really force the issue in a very public way.

I don’t imagine the situation in Texas was much different.
Perry knew what he was doing. This was about campaign cash from Merck.


70 posted on 08/12/2011 6:24:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry and reason should never appear in the same headline, is it true he was a pom pom star.


71 posted on 08/12/2011 6:25:35 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Sybeck1
Video:Rick Perry's recent comments to Neil Cavuto on amnesty and Mexico
72 posted on 08/12/2011 6:25:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: bert

hi bert.
it is not about gardasil.
it is about freedom.

it is about choice.

it is about informed consent.

it is about the role of government in medicine.


73 posted on 08/12/2011 6:27:42 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; catfish1957; Diogenesis
And you're trying to help Perry, but I'm not going to imply you're 'whacked'....

..just rude!

74 posted on 08/12/2011 6:32:46 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks for the reply as usual you reinforce your FR status as a “Wedge” aka simplest tool known to man!


75 posted on 08/12/2011 6:32:55 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

” Perry has a Muslim problem just like his illegal alien/open borders problem. “

His history has other problems, like backing left wing liberals during the height of the Reagan Revolution : )


76 posted on 08/12/2011 6:33:20 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: bert; Scotswife

Tell that to Scotswife on post #59


77 posted on 08/12/2011 6:37:01 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
So....the article is basically saying that he agrees with the principle behind Romneycare and Obamacare (put a gun to the head of private insurance companies so the end user gets something for “free”)?

No it says nothing of the kind. Anyone who reads the article and not your recreation of facts, understands why it was done.

But "nice try" to you and the other "my candidate needs me to lie about Perry to prop up my weak candidate" posters for your constant spin, that only shows your obvious contempt for the intelligence of other readers.

78 posted on 08/12/2011 6:37:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Scotswife

I remain a skeptic of such anonymous comments.


79 posted on 08/12/2011 6:43:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
FReepers are sketics of GOVERMENTAL CONTROLLED MEDICINE.

" Critics rip Perry's vaccine mandate
Governor rejects opponents' calls to reverse order
AUSTIN - Gov. Rick Perry stood firm Monday against a political firestorm generated by his
order that sixth-grade girls be inoculated against a sexually transmitted virus linked to cervical cancer.
Social conservatives from Texas to Washington called on Perry to reverse his order making
Texas the first state to require the vaccine, saying the mandate makes sex seem permissible
and that parents should be the ones to decide whether to immunize their daughters.
And several Texas lawmakers expressed outrage at Perry for circumventing the legislative process. "


"RP65 - Relating to the immunization of young women
from the cancer-causing Human Papillomavirus.
Friday, February 02, 2007 o Executive Order
BY THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF TEXAS
Rules.The Health and Human Services Executive Commissioner
shall adopt rules that mandate the age appropriate vaccination
of all female children for HPV prior to admission to the sixth grade."


The definition of mandate is a command by a person,
group, or organization (the 'mandator') to another
(the 'mandatary') to act in a particular way, or here
to ingest, inject, imbed a poison or other substance
they do not want and for which informed consent was
never taken.

80 posted on 08/12/2011 6:45:25 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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